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Does anyone know what type of offense Bill O'Brien is likely to use? My main concern is our offensive line for so many years are smaller more athletic and we have a considerable investment in 2 of them, and our running back is very geared towards the zone based running game, which we have another large investement in.

Thoughts on how this will work out?

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Does anyone know what type of offense Bill O'Brien is likely to use? My main concern is our offensive line for so many years are smaller more athletic and we have a considerable investment in 2 of them, and our running back is very geared towards the zone based running game, which we have another large investement in.

Thoughts on how this will work out?

- John
With exception of Myers the rest of Oline are big boys that could play in a power type O. If Ben Jones can handle the less complex center in a Power, I'm all for allowing Myers to go saving $ and giving Jones reps.
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As the players and schemes have changed, it's the way the Patriots talk that's continued their offensive dominance

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New England's offense is a member of the NFL's third offensive family, the Erhardt-Perkins system. The offense was named after the two men, Ron Erhardt and Ray Perkins, who developed it while working for the Patriots under head coach Chuck Fairbanks in the 1970s. According to Perkins, it was assembled in the same way most such systems are developed. "I don't look at it as us inventing it," he explained. "I look at it as a bunch of coaches sitting in rooms late at night organizing and getting things together to help players be successful."

The backbone of the Erhardt-Perkins system is that plays — pass plays in particular — are not organized by a route tree or by calling a single receiver's route, but by what coaches refer to as "concepts." Each play has a name, and that name conjures up an image for both the quarterback and the other players on offense. And, most importantly, the concept can be called from almost any formation or set. Who does what changes, but the theory and tactics driving the play do not. "In essence, you're running the same play," said Perkins. "You're just giving them some window-dressing to make it look different."

The biggest advantage of the concept-based system is that it operates from the perspective of the most critical player on offense: the quarterback. In other systems, even if the underlying principles are the exact same, the play and its name might be very different. Rather than juggling all this information in real time, an Erhardt-Perkins quarterback only has to read a given arrangement of receivers. "You can cut down on the plays and get different looks from your formations and who's in them. It's easier for the players to learn. It's easier for the quarterback to learn," former Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis said back in 2000. "You get different looks without changing his reads. You don't need an open-ended number of plays."

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The theory here is that no matter the formation, there is an outside receiver, an inside receiver, and a middle receiver, and each will be responsible for running his designated route. For the quarterback, this means the play can be run repeatedly, from different formations and with different personnel, all while his read stays effectively the same. Once receivers understand each concept, they only have to know at which position they’re lined up. The personnel and formation might cause the defense to respond differently, but for New England those changes only affect which side Brady prefers or which receiver he expects to be open. This conceptual approach is how the Patriots are able to run the same basic plays, whether spreading the field with four or five receivers or using multiple tight ends and running backs.

The most recent innovation to fall into New England’s Erhardt-Perkins framework is a commitment to the no-huddle...
Really like having all three 3rds of the field to use from the snap, but we've got to start getting first downs to make the no huddle effective. Looks like we're:

28th in 1st downs per game,
29th in 1st Quarter scoring, and
28th in plays per game.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/plays-per-game
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In every image , the TE's routes break towards the sidelines .... as does every route on the strong side (other than the deep routes that are already on the sideline).

Not that this is the only play in the book .... but it does illustrate my earlier point , in multiple threads , that they don't do much up with the deep / intermediate routes between the hash marks , space that TE's often occupy and that are a staple of the NE passing attack.
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In every image , the TE's routes break towards the sidelines .... as does every route on the strong side (other than the deep routes that are already on the sideline).

Not that this is the only play in the book .... but it does illustrate my earlier point , in multiple threads , that they don't do much up with the deep / intermediate routes between the hash marks , space that TE's often occupy and that are a staple of the NE passing attack.
Well, the Texans and the Patriots playbooks in that regard are pretty much the same thing. Those plays are in our playbook.

But a lot of this boils down to:
1) The Gameplan -- figuring out which of our plays we're going to focus on that we think are going to take advantage of what our opponents do and that's on the coaches

2) The calls at the line -- because in this offense, if you have a group of receivers on a side, the QB can change their route combination to any other route combination for that number of receivers. It's up to the QB to make the pre-snap read and then alter those routes to something that will take advantage of that defense. This is where I feel Fitzpatrick is failing because he's not putting them into route combinations that free them up.

Where you're calling the route combinations uninspired and ineffective and blaming the playcalling and play design, I'm placing the blame on Fitzpatrick because that's the route combo he chose to go with.

This is what's so intrinsically different from our old offense. Getting guys open with the route combinations was on the play design and on Kubiak's playcalling with the old system and it worked and he was good at it, but the new system just doesn't work that way. And right now, I think that's probably Fitzpatrick's fault unless OB and Godsey aren't preparing him properly to change to the most effective routine combos.
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In every image , the TE's routes break towards the sidelines .... as does every route on the strong side (other than the deep routes that are already on the sideline).

Not that this is the only play in the book .... but it does illustrate my earlier point , in multiple threads , that they don't do much up with the deep / intermediate routes between the hash marks , space that TE's often occupy and that are a staple of the NE passing attack.
That's just one play/route concept.

Between the hash marks...

Patriots in 210(44% more) total attempts are
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20+ yards: 3/8 - 107 - 1TD - 0INT for PFF Passer Rating = 125.0

10-19 yards: 19/32 - 323 - 2TD - 1INT for PFF Passer Rating = 101.4
Texans in 160 total attempts are
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20+ yards: 4/6 - 159 - 1TD - 2INT for PFF Passer Rating = 109.7

10-19 yards: 11/16 - 147 - 0TD - 1INT for PFF Passer Rating = 71.6
What we're seeing is an offense run more through WRs than TEs/SlotWRs, as that is where the talent is on this team.

TE targets(57): Gronk 44, Hoomanawanui 2, Wright 11

TE targets(18): Graham 12, Fiedo 3, Griffin 3

What we need is to run more plays. 80+ per game. And we need our young TE to master the snap count and blocking assignments so he can graduate to pass-catching. And we need better arm talent at QB.
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In every image , the TE's routes break towards the sidelines .... as does every route on the strong side (other than the deep routes that are already on the sideline).

Not that this is the only play in the book .... but it does illustrate my earlier point , in multiple threads , that they don't do much up with the deep / intermediate routes between the hash marks , space that TE's often occupy and that are a staple of the NE passing attack.
You're right in that this is just 1 play where the routes don't feature straight down the middle routes, but I have seen Gronk run up the hash marks on TDs or long gains. What I do find funny is that the articles says, "It’s easier for the players to learn. It’s easier for the quarterback to learn". Hmm...no need to go into what comes next
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With exception of Myers the rest of Oline are big boys that could play in a power type O. If Ben Jones can handle the less complex center in a Power, I'm all for allowing Myers to go saving $ and giving Jones reps.
Why are you going with your hopes when there is an answer already at hand?

silvrhnd - they have hired an OL coach, Brian Ferentz. He is the son of Kirk Ferentz (who interviewed for the Texans HC position in 2006) current Iowa HC (where he coached Brian). They are ZBS disciples. This is not surprising since the Patriots are a zone based team.

The Patriots center is 6'2" 275 lbs.
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Why are you going with your hopes when there is an answer already at hand?

silvrhnd - they have hired an OL coach, Brian Ferentz. He is the son of Kirk Ferentz (who interviewed for the Texans HC position in 2006) current Iowa HC (where he coached Brian). They are ZBS disciples. This is not surprising since the Patriots are a zone based team.

The Patriots center is 6'2" 275 lbs.
I didn't realize there is two Ferentze's. I thought we were getting the one we interviewed in 2006.
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Why are you going with your hopes when there is an answer already at hand?

silvrhnd - they have hired an OL coach, Brian Ferentz. He is the son of Kirk Ferentz (who interviewed for the Texans HC position in 2006) current Iowa HC (where he coached Brian). They are ZBS disciples. This is not surprising since the Patriots are a zone based team.

The Patriots center is 6'2" 275 lbs.
Got any documentation to back that up ? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, it's just that I was unsuccessful in finding any definitive explanation of the Hawkeyes offense being operated with a preference for either a Power or a Zone Blocking scheme.
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Got any documentation to back that up ? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, it's just that I was unsuccessful in finding any definitive explanation of the Hawkeyes offense being operated with a preference for either a Power or a Zone Blocking scheme.
Well, I don't know how reliable this is but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_blocking

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1995-2009: Denver Broncos [HC Mike Shanahan and Josh McDaniels (kept scheme in first year)]
1999-Present: University of Iowa [HC Kirk Ferentz]
2001-2007: West Virginia University [HC Rich Rodriguez]
2001-2008: Bowling Green State University [HC Urban Meyer and Gregg Brandon]
2002-2006: University of Minnesota [HC Glen Mason]
2003-2004: University of Utah [HC Urban Meyer]
2004-2006: Atlanta Falcons [HC Jim L. Mora]
2005-2010: University of Florida [HC Urban Meyer]
2005-2009: University of Notre Dame [HC Charlie Weis]
2006-2010: University of Michigan [HC Lloyd Carr and Rich Rodriguez]
2006-Present: Green Bay Packers [HC Mike McCarthy]
2006-Present: Houston Texans [HC Gary Kubiak]
2007-2012: University of Oregon [OC Chip Kelly]
I took out more than necessary to show that Kubiak is in there but also to show that Weis is in there as well as McDaniel (for at least his first year at Denver) in addition to Ferentz.
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Got any documentation to back that up ? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, it's just that I was unsuccessful in finding any definitive explanation of the Hawkeyes offense being operated with a preference for either a Power or a Zone Blocking scheme.
Not sure why you can't find anything. "Kirk Ferentz Iowa zone blocking" came up with a bunch.

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The University of Iowa under head coach Kirk Ferentz, a former NFL offensive line coach, utilizes zone blocking and the inside/outside stretch play as the basis for their offense.
Maybe I undersold him as a disciple:

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The concept of Zone blocking in both the run and pass game was created by Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz. However, this blocking scheme came to prominence when used by the Denver Broncos, under offensive line coach Alex Gibbs (formerly the offensive line coach for the Seattle Seahawks), and head coach Mike Shanahan.
Kirk Ferentz was Belichick's OL coach the last 3 seasons in Cleveland.
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Not sure why you can't find anything. "Kirk Ferentz Iowa zone blocking" came up with a bunch.

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Kirk Ferentz was Belichick's OL coach the last 3 seasons in Cleveland.
Yup, I missed it bigger than hell. Don't know how I managed to do that ? I think I looked under the school and not the coach. Anyway good deal, because I like the zone blocking stuff and looks like it's gonna be around in Houston for quite a bit more time.
Now we'll need to sit tight to see who the DC will be to find out if we are gonna go with a 3-4 or 4-3 ?
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Does anyone know what type of offense Bill O'Brien is likely to use? My main concern is our offensive line for so many years are smaller more athletic and we have a considerable investment in 2 of them, and our running back is very geared towards the zone based running game, which we have another large investement in.

Thoughts on how this will work out?

- John
I imagine they will be running a scheme that is fast paced and can run on different types of tempos. It will adjust to pass heavy and run heavy at different periods of time depending on who the opposition is. O'Brien really didn't run the offense that much different than how McDaniels is running it right now. O'Briend had been on the Patriots staff before McDaniels left to coach the Broncos. I think you'll see a very similar style offense to what they tried to execute in NE, but we'll have to wait until we have a QB who can really implement that game plan to the high level people are used to seeing.
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Was watching some Penn St. and Iowa; they both employed the ZBS alright.

Iowa has a good-looking RT (Brett Van Slotten) that the Texans will probably bring in as an UDFA.
He's a very athletic guy that needs to build up some more strength for the run game. Second team All Big 12.
Taylor Lewan, a first-teamer, will probably be drafted in the first round.
The other first-teamer is a Jr for the Hawkeyes, who had decided to go back to school.
The other second-teamer, Mewhort, is slotted to be drafted in the 3rd-4th.

Van Slotten looked good in the Outback Bowl against LSU.
He didn't allow any QB pressure; it was the interior line that leaked.
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Man screw it, somebody tell Billy boy to install the ol' Chuck and Duck....

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I think we're going to run the veer
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If Munchack were in fact to be hired as the OLine coach (which would really surprise me), let me just say that our chances of being a predominantly ZBS team would drop substantially because I don't think he drafted Chance Warmack last year when he was the Titans HC with his first round pick to run a finesse ZB scheme.
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I think we're going to run the veer
hahaha I was thinking that, with a bit of wishbone to mix it up
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