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Old 01-03-2014   #1
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Default What should the Texans do with their number one pick?

The NFL had released the tentative order of the draft:
http://www.steelers.com/news/article...4-566e5c08a6e3

Five or six teams might be looking to draft a QB early.

These are the QB prospect ranking from CBS sports:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2014/QB

Remember that last year, there were a total of 3 QBs drafted in the first three rounds.

This year, there are 8 QBs graded as third rounder or higher.
And that doesn't include Mariotta or Hundley who have yet to declare their intention for real.

In my opinion, all these guys have little to big warts.

If I could cherry pick, I would trade down to take a guy like Mettenberger at 80 and or Murray at 160, Miller at 174, and then trade away for as many future draft picks as possible to target 3 or 4 QBs (not even counting Mariotta and Hundley) in 2015 or 2016. They all received high grades coming out of high school: Jameis Winston (Fl St.), Hackenberg (Penn St.), Jacob Park (Georgia bound), and Keller Chryst (Stanford bound).

The 3 guys here received the same grade as Winston (84) or higher.
Winston just won the Heissman and he looks the part.

There are 3 or 4 more guys who received higher grade than Winston in this HS class alone.

I say let the QB-starved teams get hooked for a few years with the current prospects in the upcoming draft and position yourself for better percentage in the near future.

Build both trenches and find stability in ST.
The Pats have been successful with this formula.
The Niners and Broncos are current models.

JMO, of course.
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Default Re: What should the Texans do with their number one pick?

Are you not aware that we ARE a QB starved team? Are you not also aware that the 9ers and Pats are only able to build the trenches because they ALREADY have a QB and in the Pats case and the Broncos case, have a freaking all-world QB? And are you really looking at friggin HIGH SCHOOL players right now? WTF?
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Are you not aware that we ARE a QB starved team? Are you not also aware that the 9ers and Pats are only able to build the trenches because they ALREADY have a QB and in the Pats case and the Broncos case, have a freaking all-world QB? And are you really looking at friggin HIGH SCHOOL players right now? WTF?
The Niners and the broncos were building their trenches (by that I mean both sides of the ball) before Manning and Kaepernick.
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The Niners and the broncos were building their trenches (by that I mean both sides of the ball) before Manning and Kaepernick.
And they also had a first round pick QB on their roster while they did!
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And they also had a first round pick QB on their roster while they did!
Alex Smith? Who the new regime likes so much they couldn't wait to trade him away for a raw prospect in Kaepernick?
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Alex Smith? Who the new regime likes so much they couldn't wait to trade him away for a raw prospect in Kaepernick?
I guess you're forgetting that he took them to the playoffs and lost his spot due to Kaep (a second round pick) playing well while he was injured and then was traded for picks? The same QB who is taking the Chiefs to the playoffs this weekend?
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Default Re: What should the Texans do with their number one pick?

What you are suggesting means we are rebuilding. After drafting a QB it usually takes at least a year or two until he can really contribute - by that time our veterans (Cushing, Manning, JoJo, Smith, Myers, OD, AJ...) might not be on the team anymore or past their prime. Basically it would be a "let`s cash in on all we have and get ready fo the 2017 season".

I think this team is more looking to go the Chiefs/Colts way: get a new QB and new coaches, get some quick fixes for the other holes and look to compete right away. I also think, that the team has the talent to compete outside of QB - last season we got sucked into a downward spiral of suckiness and the coaches were clueless how to stop it. We also had some pretty bad injuries.

Get a QB, a RT (might already be on the team), an OLB and I think we are already looking decent. If we get a real playmaker at QB and OLB we are looking very good...
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Default Re: What should the Texans do with their number one pick?

There's not a playoff team in the league who is built on only building the trenches and throwing a scrub out at QB who they picked up off a crap heap. The Chiefs even had to give up picks for Alex Smith, Seattle gave up picks for Matt Flynn and ended up drafting Russell Wilson as well. Hell, the Pats have used a higher pick on a QB than we have since we drafted David Carr! Only the Broncos got lucky getting Manning while we had our thumbs up our butt with Schaub but they still used 2 first round picks on QB's in the past 8 years.
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Default Re: What should the Texans do with their number one pick?

I'm not opposed to moving into future higher quality QB drafts, but you have to address the position in some manner right now.

Each passing year is lost years from your good players on your team right now.

Regardless, I'll let OB make his own choices for his position group.
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Default Re: What should the Texans do with their number one pick?

The Broncos, for example, traded away Cutler, and used those picks smartly.
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The Broncos defense is awful, they wouldnt even smell .500 with an average qb.
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The Broncos, for example, traded away Cutler, and used those picks smartly.
They also used a first round pick in drafting Cutler as well as used a first round pick on Tim Tebow. We don't have a QB who we can trade for picks like the Broncos did. We can't even use a supplemental pick we get from losing Mario Williams on anyone we can keep on the roster.
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The Niners and the broncos were building their trenches (by that I mean both sides of the ball) before Manning and Kaepernick.
The Bronco's have a pathetic OL .... Riddled with injury. Manning just makes them appear serviceable because of how quickly he gets the ball out of his hands.


A better comparison might be Carolina taking two DL early in last years draft giving them a dominant defense while Cam Newton is playing at a level similar to last year but getting most of the credit for the W's generated by that defense.
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The Bronco's have a pathetic OL .... Riddled with injury. Manning just makes them appear serviceable because of how quickly he gets the ball out of his hands.


A better comparison might be Carolina taking two DL early in last years draft giving them a dominant defense while Cam Newton is playing at a level similar to last year but getting most of the credit for the W's generated by that defense.
But then all one would have to do is point out that Cam Newton was a #1 overall pick, proving you can't win with complete garbage at QB and that every team in the playoffs is there with a QB taken high in the draft (besides NE of course.)
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But then all one would have to do is point out that Cam Newton was a #1 overall pick, proving you can't win with complete garbage at QB and that every team in the playoffs is there with a QB taken high in the draft (besides NE of course.)
But .... Newton has been garbage at QB , not Matt Schaub / Case Keenum garbage but garbage none the less , at least when compared to the rest of the playoff QB's.
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The Bronco's have a pathetic OL .... Riddled with injury. Manning just makes them appear serviceable because of how quickly he gets the ball out of his hands.


A better comparison might be Carolina taking two DL early in last years draft giving them a dominant defense while Cam Newton is playing at a level similar to last year but getting most of the credit for the W's generated by that defense.
But then he has game winning drives every week. He has played better than last year.
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But then he has game winning drives every week. He has played better than last year.
He has the opportunity to play better because the line is giving him more time. I suspect the same would happen with last years QBs and without improvement in the line play, the same 'poor QB' play will result regardless of the new QB savior. Both can make the other look better, but both are required for optimal results.
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The NFL had released the tentative order of the draft:
http://www.steelers.com/news/article...4-566e5c08a6e3

Five or six teams might be looking to draft a QB early.

These are the QB prospect ranking from CBS sports:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2014/QB

Remember that last year, there were a total of 3 QBs drafted in the first three rounds.

This year, there are 8 QBs graded as third rounder or higher.
And that doesn't include Mariotta or Hundley who have yet to declare their intention for real.

In my opinion, all these guys have little to big warts.

If I could cherry pick, I would trade down to take a guy like Mettenberger at 80 and or Murray at 160, Miller at 174, and then trade away for as many future draft picks as possible to target 3 or 4 QBs (not even counting Mariotta and Hundley) in 2015 or 2016. They all received high grades coming out of high school: Jameis Winston (Fl St.), Hackenberg (Penn St.), Jacob Park (Georgia bound), and Keller Chryst (Stanford bound).

The 3 guys here received the same grade as Winston (84) or higher.
Winston just won the Heissman and he looks the part.

There are 3 or 4 more guys who received higher grade than Winston in this HS class alone.

I say let the QB-starved teams get hooked for a few years with the current prospects in the upcoming draft and position yourself for better percentage in the near future.

Build both trenches and find stability in ST.
The Pats have been successful with this formula.
The Niners and Broncos are current models.

JMO, of course.
You can't write off an entire draft class at a position group before you get to the senior bowl/east west shrine game, nfl combine, and pro days, even if they weren't graded out as impressively as others at the HS level. This seem like a thread where you want people to talk up Bridgewater/Manziel so you can repeatedly shoot them down the advice of waiting until next years/2016 draft because those QB's are better (Not even counting that 2 of them have yet to take a snap at the college level).

Either way you have to evaluate the class before you make rash decisions, you may not be in love with a player right now (or maybe you are but you want to make sure), making a decision about who you're taking #1 in January is silly because new information will be coming out from now until the draft actually happens.
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Take the player who will have the biggest impact. If that's Clowney I'm down. That means he answered all the questions the righ way and the. Laches believe they can coach him up. I believe having Watt and Cushing and even Swearinger will keep Clowney in line. It's exciting to even think about.

If we decide to take one of the QB's I'm fine with that too.
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Take the player who will have the biggest impact. If that's Clowney I'm down. That means he answered all the questions the righ way and the. Laches believe they can coach him up. I believe having Watt and Cushing and even Swearinger will keep Clowney in line. It's exciting to even think about.

If we decide to take one of the QB's I'm fine with that too.
Watching that chiefs colts game is the reason u take the top qb over the other top position players if the grades for each prospects are in the same ball park.

As good as Houston and Hali were rushing the passer all year, Luck basically made them non factors by working the pocket, getting the ball out fast, and running when he had too.

Simply put, very good qb play trumps exceptional pass rushing and pretty much everything else. So while everyone is getting amped at the thought of Watt and Clowney on the same d-line rushing the passer, take heed of what happened saturday. KC's secondary got exposed once the pressure of houston and hali was nuetralized.
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