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Old 11-17-2013   #1
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Question Lack of NO HUDDLE, RESTRICTIVE AUDILBE SYSTEM Causing Blitz Problems?

I cant help but think that Kubiak's fraudulent, restrictive audible system or lack thereof is contributing to this offense inability to adjust to the blitz. Even when schaub was playing, you blitz him and its all over.

You look at qbs who make you pay when you blitz them too much (rogers, maning, brady) they have the full freedom and confidence of their coach to make changes at the line of scrimmage.

Ive seen Keenum play at UofH, the man played with crappy offensive lines and everybody in the world knew he was going to throw the ball yet he always made plays. I find it hard to believe that he cant figure out how to beat a blitz in the nfl especially when they arent even disguising it. They are tipping their hand and letting us know they are going to blitz yet we cant come up with a screen pass to a running back or call a blitz breaking rb draw play.

IMO, its Kubiak's idiotic playcalling, restrictive audible system and outdated offensive philosophy.
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When Schaub is in there, a blitz means a ball thrown away or in the dirt, or a fetal position sack. When Keenum was in there, it meant something similar. In either case, the OL is confused as to who to pick up and often let multiple rushers through the line. The RBs miss blitz pick-ups just as much. The receivers don't adjust their routes, and even if they do, there still has to be a minimum time to even get the ball out for a hot route. And on top of that, teams have been using exotic blitzes where the QB doesn't know which guys are blitzing and which guys are dropping, so calling a hot route is not as easy as it is in most message board fans' heads.

It's a total team disaster.
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I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.
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I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.

youre so short minded and hard headed its ridiculous

our system has been a failure for a decade now...youre gonna hang your hat on 2 playoff appearances and a couple super bowls from a decade ago.... have fun
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youre so short minded and hard headed its ridiculous

our system has been a failure for a decade now...youre gonna hang your hat on 2 playoff appearances and a couple super bowls from a decade ago.... have fun
Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...
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Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...
So this logically means Gary is subpar at running the system. Or he picked the wrong players to run the system?
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Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...
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I've thought this as well. Consciously or subconsciously?
both.

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Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...
that might be true, but the plays and when those plays are properly called is different.

You can use the same system, but how you use that system could be different.
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You can use the same system, but how you use that system could be different.
So you agree... it's not the system.
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Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...
well, any proof? i have a very hard time believing this since gary and cam learned two complete different systems coming up through the ranks. cam is a vertical system with a power run game. gary is west coast system but uses the zbs and flips the run to set up the pass.
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We also have a spread out horizontal passing system where you don't throw deep..............................oh, I forgot, that's just Matt... Hehe.
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Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...
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Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...
That's maybe the wackiest thing I've read in here.
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Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...
Ravens are 4-6, Texans 2-8. Not too far off. Makes sense to me.
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I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.
Joe Montana? Steve Young? John Elway?

huh? For you to say this philosophy and restrictive audible system is the same exact system that made Montana, Young, & Elway superbowl champs is a freaking STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH.

Just stop it.

You can also stop pretending to be anything other than the Captain of Straddling the Fence in order to pretend not to be a called a Schaub Apologist. Two division titles? a Pro bowl mvp?

Are you serious?

We only won those division titles when peyton's neck imploded and colts went into rebuild mode. I not even gonna dignify the pro bowl mvp talk. That's when you know you are dealing with a fanboy.

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Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.
fake spike? have you ever seen matt schaub do that play? that was on keenum. that was keenum adlibing. For you to give that credit to kubiak's offensive system is a freaking joke. Its quite obvious the system is broken even before keenum ever took a snap for the texans.

This offense has had trouble scoring since last year, and kubiak's retarded answer to the seattle game about schaub being able to audible should have washed the ignorance and stupidity away from people like you who still think kubiak is some offensive guru.

I was wrong.
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Joe Montana? Steve Young? John Elway?

huh? For you to say this philosophy and restrictive audible system is the same exact system that made Montana, Young, & Elway superbowl champs is a freaking STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH.

Just stop it.

You can also stop pretending to be anything other than the Captain of Straddling the Fence in order to pretend not to be a called a Schaub Apologist. Two division titles? a Pro bowl mvp?

Are you serious?

We only won those division titles when peyton's neck imploded and colts went into rebuild mode. I not even gonna dignify the pro bowl mvp talk. That's when you know you are dealing with a fanboy.



fake spike? have you ever seen matt schaub do that play? that was on keenum. that was keenum adlibing. For you to give that credit to kubiak's offensive system is a freaking joke. Its quite obvious the system is broken even before keenum ever took a snap for the texans.

This offense has had trouble scoring since last year, and kubiak's retarded answer to the seattle game about schaub being able to audible should have washed the ignorance and stupidity away from people like you who still think kubiak is some offensive guru.

I was wrong.
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fake spike? have you ever seen matt schaub do that play? that was on keenum. that was keenum adlibing.
My point exactly.

Don't say it's restrictive & the QB lacks the aibility to audible, then turn around & tell me the QB was able to make a play because he called an audible.
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My point exactly.

Don't say it's restrictive & the QB lacks the aibility to audible, then turn around & tell me the QB was able to make a play because he called an audible.
you think gary knew about that? i bet he went off script, ala stafford diving over the oline for a td fake spike
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you think gary knew about that? i bet he went off script, ala stafford diving over the oline for a td fake spike
absolutely. that was 100% off script and it probably pissed gary the F off.
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you think gary knew about that? i bet he went off script, ala stafford diving over the oline for a td fake spike
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