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Old 11-03-2013   #1
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Default Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck

I tried this a few weeks back, didn't go over to well. But Andrew Luck has yet to impress me. Like Schaub, he needs every part of his team to be working extremely well to keep it close & give them a chance.

Today is not that day. We've got problems of our own, nuy keenum is shining like a mother.

Two games into it, what do you think? Case Keenum or Andrew Luck?
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Default Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck

I have seen Luck play several games now and he isnt the most accurate qb out there. Hes athletic and can make plays but the ball sails on him quite a bit. I would still take luck because kernums sample size us still too small.
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Default Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck

Well it looks like Luck needs that star WR all the time to be an elite QB, and Elite QBs usually make everyone else look good, still its only his 2nd start but hell yeah i'd take UH home grown underdog case over luck
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Default Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck

I don't think luck is in all that great a system.

I don't even know what the hell the colts do. They have a suspect running game. Their play action sucks. Their receivers aren't all that great.

I think if luck were here in another system he'd be better. I think the colts either need a better offensive system or luck has to take his game to another level. He has to become a better passer.

That didn't answer your question, but I really believe the situations players find themselves in can really hurt them or really help them.

I think if Schaub would have gotten traded to the dolphins instead of us, he might be out of the league already. Don't think he'd have made any pro bowls or really be thought of as anything close to special.

I think that there are few players that just shine regardless of situation.
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In Case (Keenum) you missed this earlier.........

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I don't think luck is in all that great a system.

I don't even know what the hell the colts do. They have a suspect running game. Their play action sucks. Their receivers aren't all that great.

I think if luck were here in another system he'd be better. I think the colts either need a better offensive system or luck has to take his game to another level. He has to become a better passer.

That didn't answer your question, but I really believe the situations players find themselves in can really hurt them or really help them.

I think if Schaub would have gotten traded to the dolphins instead of us, he might be out of the league already. Don't think he'd have made any pro bowls or really be thought of as anything close to special.

I think that there are few players that just shine regardless of situation.
The only disagreement I have with you is that Luck was/is supposed to be a player where system does not matter. if he needs a better system then he is overrated a little bit.

To the broader topic, a rookie dropping 11 wins and a playoff appearance is unimpressive or him leading a victory over the undefeated Broncos in his last game is no big deal. 9 game winning drives in a year and half.

ESPN's total QBR ranks him as 5th going into the weekend (traditional ranking 13th)


http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
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The only disagreement I have with you is that Luck was/is supposed to be a player where system does not matter. if he needs a better system then he is overrated a little bit.

To the broader topic, a rookie dropping 11 wins and a playoff appearance is unimpressive or him leading a victory over the undefeated Broncos in his last game is no big deal. 9 game winning drives in a year and half.

ESPN's total QBR ranks him as 5th going into the weekend (traditional ranking 13th)


http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
Right and that's my hesitancy with the emotional luck sucks keenum is great notion.

I think keenum is good. If he grows and gets better he could be really good. Great even.

But I think luck is damn good in a system that is pretty basic.
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Did you really compare Luck to Schaub? How does that foot taste?
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Default Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck

i know Case should of spiked the damn ball, he waisted like 10 seconds. Damn this was a heart breaking loss, I think this loss might show how valuble Kubiak is to this team, we could clearly see the difference in play calling after half time.
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The only disagreement I have with you is that Luck was/is supposed to be a player where system does not matter. if he needs a better system then he is overrated a little bit.

To the broader topic, a rookie dropping 11 wins and a playoff appearance is unimpressive or him leading a victory over the undefeated Broncos in his last game is no big deal. 9 game winning drives in a year and half.

ESPN's total QBR ranks him as 5th going into the weekend (traditional ranking 13th)


http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
oops make that 10 game winning 4th/overtime drives
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I tried this a few weeks back, didn't go over to well. But Andrew Luck has yet to impress me. Like Schaub, he needs every part of his team to be working extremely well to keep it close & give them a chance.

Today is not that day. We've got problems of our own, nuy keenum is shining like a mother.

Two games into it, what do you think? Case Keenum or Andrew Luck?
As impressive as keenum is playing, I'm still going to need a larger sample size to give the edge to keenum.

Luck is still better with a higher ceiling in my opinion. Bring this debate up at the end of the season and my answer may change.

The guy has only played a game in a half.
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I say Keenum won performance wise. But still a lost.

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not a fair comparison with case only having 2 games. I saw the improvement today against the blitz and case's long ball looked great.
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Default Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck

I think Keenum has the potential to be a great QB. I would like to see him when teams have more game film on him.

Luck seems to have the ability to play well when he needs to. He reminds me of Flacco last season though. He looks terrible statistically but his teams end up winning. I think that our defense gave him a window that a better defense would not have. He took the opportunity and won.

I will pass judgement on Luck after another season or 2. I think he will likely struggle in the playoffs. Winning in the regular season isn't as important to me.
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But Andrew Luck has yet to impress me.
Man, this guy must have made a pass at your wife or something for you to have this much denial at his talents. Almost half of his wins are from 4th quarter comebacks. He's already damn near broke that record in his first two years in the NFL and the 2nd season is barely half over.

I thought Luck were borderline elite before this game. This game put him in that status. But I don't think he will put up elite fantasy numbers b/c of the system, o-line, and lack of supporting offensive cast. And yet this dude came here in our place, against battle red, against an inspired crowd and it was business as usual.

One thing I know for certain Luck has over Keenum is his ability to maneuver in the pocket with subtle movement to avoid pass rush. Keenum will take the long way out by running toward the sidelines. Luck will calmly sidestep that oncoming rush while remaining in the pocket like that rusher were never there. If Keenum has that savvy in the pocket I take him in a heartbeat.
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Is this a joke? All Keenum did was march the offense down the field with 30 or whatever seconds left on the clock and no timeouts to give FAT RANDY a reasonable shot at a field goal.

Please tell me out of the two, which one is more "baller":

18/40
271 yds
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Luck was behind the 8ball the whole game. He's on the road, w/o his #1 receiver, w/o a productive running game, behind a bad pass protection, playing in a bad system. If Luck had better stats than Keenum has, Luck should be in the hall of fame right now.

But all he did was throw 3 tds, 0 int, 271 yds and another 4th comeback win. Yeah, Keenum is the unanimous baller.
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Luck was behind the 8ball the whole game. He's on the road, w/o his #1 receiver, w/o a productive running game, behind a bad pass protection, playing in a bad system. If Luck had better stats than Keenum has, Luck should be in the hall of fame right now.

But all he did was throw 3 tds, 0 int, 271 yds and another 4th comeback win. Yeah, Keenum is the unanimous baller.
There's nothing wrong with both of them being ballers, is there?
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Default Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck

Keenum put up better numbers with a lesser team.
Luck put up worse numbers with a better team.

You can call whomever a baller you want.

Luck had no Wayne. Keenum had no Daniels, no
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