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Old 10-24-2013   #1
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Default 3 NFL Games in London in 2014?

Am I reading this article correctly? Are there really going to be 3 NFL games in London next season? Yikes, that seems a bit overboard. I am opposed to the concept of having a team based there, but this seems to be where we are heading.

Dallas, Detroit, Miami to play NFL London in 2014

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LONDON (AP) -- The Dallas Cowboys, Detroit Lions and Miami Dolphins will travel to London next year to take part in the NFL International Series, the league announced Thursday.

The NFL will hold three games at Wembley Stadium in 2014, with the Jacksonville Jaguars, Atlanta Falcons and Oakland Raiders as the designated home teams.

The lineup: Cowboys vs. Jaguars, Lions vs. Falcons, and Dolphins vs. Raiders.
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I thought the hags had 2 home games to play at their "home" in London.
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I thought the hags had 2 home games to play at their "home" in London.
1 for each of the next four seasons.
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Eventually, I think we will see the Jaguars moved to London. Khan, the owner of the Jags, is also the owner of the EPL team Fulham. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see them move there and share that stadium until they can build a new one to be split between the two.
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meh.....bah humbug
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Hate it. Nothing further to say.
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I don't know why but when I hear London, I get bored
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Hate it. Nothing further to say.
Me too. Europe doesn't follow the nfl. If they are hard up for an international team then send a team to Mexico City or Toronto/Vancouver/Montreal.
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Eventually, I think we will see the Jaguars moved to London. Khan, the owner of the Jags, is also the owner of the EPL team Fulham. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see them move there and share that stadium until they can build a new one to be split between the two.
And which teams are going to agree to send their players on a 15-hour round trip flight to play them? The Texans, Titans nor the Colts likely won't.

These games are a cute novelty and all, but, the logistics of a team in London are not there.
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And which teams are going to agree to send their players on a 15-hour round trip flight to play them? The Texans, Titans nor the Colts likely won't.

These games are a cute novelty and all, but, the logistics of a team in London are not there.
I think there are 29 other teams in the league that will have a vote on that. It might not be ideal for those in their division, but for the league itself, it will mean more revenue. Certainly a lot more than what Jacksonville has ever been worth.
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I think there are 29 other teams in the league that will have a vote on that. It might not be ideal for those in their division, but for the league itself, it will mean more revenue. Certainly a lot more than what Jacksonville has ever been worth.
Bob McNair, Jim Isray and the next Titans own will not let that happen. Such a move would mean THEIR players and staff would have brutal travel schedules. Nope. Won't happen.

And: Jerry Jones is the Big Dog in the NFL. What he says goes. McNair is in good with Jones, and would simply tell Jerry to lobby against such a move.
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Eventually, I think we will see the Jaguars moved to London. Khan, the owner of the Jags, is also the owner of the EPL team Fulham. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see them move there and share that stadium until they can build a new one to be split between the two.
I think we are a loooong way away from having a team actually based in London. It's one thing to sell out 3 games with various opponents and having to sell out 8 of potentially crappy team + preseason. Playoffs shouldn't be a problem I'm assuming.

Also, I don't think Fulham and London Jags would ever be able to share a stadium. Fulham is a smaller club that probably wouldn't be able to draw over 40K fans for even the bigger matches (Fulham fans, don't kick me too hard, all I'm saying is that Fulham isn't Arsenal, MU, or even Tottenham). EPL clubs don't like to play in front of big half empty stadiums any more than the NFL does. And a 40K seat stadium is not enough for a successful NFL franchise. In addition to that, the field would not be able to recover from the football game to the next soccer game on a regular basis.

So, I think there are a lot of logistics to figure out just in London, that's before we get to schedule, travel, etc, etc. I'd say 10 years at the earliest for the possible move.
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Hauling a massive jumbo jet across the Atlantic isn't an issue? Are you kidding me? You think it's free to run those big jets across the pond? The owners will have to spend massive more amount of money on travel than they already do.
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Lolz at guys making millions not being able to afford living in London. Okay Latrell Sprewell. How can anyone afford it on 500k a year? We'll have to rewrite the rookie pay scale and eliminate the salary cap so their players can eat!

The cost of living in London is relatively close to living in New York or San Francisco. Do we have to pay guys more to play for the Giants than the Packers?

http://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/index
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Lolz at guys making millions not being able to afford living in London. The cost of living in London is relatively close to living in New York or San Francisco. Do we have to pay guys more to play for the Giants than the Packers?

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Ah, I knew that one was coming. Understand that it's about the exchange rate, and international tax laws. The American dollar does not go far in London. So, if you pay players in British Pounds, that's good, but, that's kind of screwing US-based players. Yes, we would likely have to pay players living in London more money.

Anyway, this conversation is getting superflous, and none of us will agree. Understand that I'm not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to have a team in London; it is possible. I just think the logistics - combined with the cheapness of the owners - make is more complicated than most of us realize.
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Ah, I knew that one was coming. Understand that it's about the exchange rate, and international tax laws. The American dollar does not go far in London. So, if you pay players in British Pounds, that's good, but, that's kind of screwing US-based players. Yes, we would likely have to pay players living in London more money.

Anyway, this conversation is getting superflous, and none of us will agree. Understand that I'm not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to have a team in London; it is possible. I just think the logistics - combined with the cheapness of the owners - make is more complicated than most of us realize.
Dude I was in London last summer. My dollar did fine. 50 pounds a night for a decent hotel near Kensington. Beer was 2 pounds or so on average. Fast food was 3 or 4 pounds -- a decent dinner was 10 to 20. The pound was trading at 1 to 1.6 or so, so add 50% and you can see exactly how far my dollar went.

France cost me much more.

500,000 dollars a year (the minimum for a guy with 1 year's experience) equates to 310,000 pounds. Seriously, you don't think they can live on that? You think they need a subsidy?

Not to mention that we'd have to deal with the exchange rate and international tax laws if we expand to Mexico too. I'm pretty sure that players AND owners would rather tie their dollars to the pound than the peso. It's a helluva lot more stable for starters.
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Dude I was in London last summer. My dollar did fine. 50 pounds a night for a decent hotel near Kensington. Beer was 2 pounds or so on average. Fast food was 3 or 4 pounds -- a decent dinner was 10 to 20. The pound was trading at 1 to 1.6 or so, so add 50% and you can see exactly how far my dollar went.

France cost me much more.

500,000 dollars a year (the minimum for a guy with 1 year's experience) equates to 310,000 pounds. Seriously, you don't think they can live on that? You think they need a subsidy?

Not to mention that we'd have to deal with the exchange rate and international tax laws if we expand to Mexico too. I'm pretty sure that players AND owners would rather tie their dollars to the pound than the peso. It's a helluva lot more stable for starters.
Good grief.

You do realize that the exchange rate with Mexico favors the US dollar MUCH more than it does with the UK pound, no?

And, again: flying to Mexico is nothing compared to flying to London. Which dramatically negates the travel costs.

As I said, this conversation is going no where. Some of us just won't agree.

And, regardless of what people are finding as they rush to airline web sites to look up flight times to and from Europe, I have done that trip several times. Coming back from Europe is pretty much 3 hours longer - to Houston - than going over. That's been my experience, anyway.

Anyway, as I said, we will all agree to disagree...
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Am I reading this article correctly? Are there really going to be 3 NFL games in London next season? Yikes, that seems a bit overboard. I am opposed to the concept of having a team based there, but this seems to be where we are heading.

Dallas, Detroit, Miami to play NFL London in 2014
No NFL games, including even the Jaguars, should be wasted by playing in London.
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No NFL games, including even the Jaguars, should be wasted by playing in London.


If they were to get their own team and all visting teams got their bye week following the game I dont see what the issue is.
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If they were to get their own team and all visting teams got their bye week following the game I dont see what the issue is.
Why would they get a bye for playing in London? Teams don't even get a bye before playing a Thursday night game, which is waaaaaaaaaay more taxing on the players. Now if it were a Thursday night game in London, then the visiting team would need a bye prior to that game.
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