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Old 10-23-2013   #1
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...#axzz2ia2NRcpX

I tend to agree that the SEC is put up on a pedestal that it doesnt deserve. While it obviously has huge programs that drive the conference, they are not head and shoulders above everyone else, contrary to popular belief.

And yes, I know they have won 7 straight titles which is impressive. But they are always topping the poles due to their supremacy bias.
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What's the SEC's record in bowl games against non-conference opponents, or record in the regular season against non-conference opponents? I don't know the answer but I think it's pretty damn good. I don't think the SEC is overrated, I think they've earned their reputation as the best. Rankings aside I can see it when I watch the games, the SEC teams are faster, bigger, stronger, and tougher. The number of players that are selected in the draft every year should also be a telling stat. I don't know the numbers, but I'll bet it's alot.
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Bowl records from 98-12 by conference: http://www.mrsec.com/2013/01/confere...last-15-years/

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Conference	  All Bowls 98-12	  BCS Bowls 98-12	  All Bowls 2012	  BCS Bowls 2012
  Big West	  2-0 (100.0%)	  0-0	  0-0	  0-0
  Big East	  46-29 (61.3%)	  8-7	  3-2	  1-0
  SEC	  73-50 (59.3%)	  17-8	  6-3	  1-1
  MWC	  32-24 (57.1%)	  3-1	  1-4	  0-0
  Pac-10/12	  41-45 (47.5%)	  13-7	  4-4	  2-0
  Big XII	  57-63 (47.5%)	  9-11	  4-5	  0-1
  ACC	  49-55 (47.1%)	  3-13	  4-2	  1-0
  WAC	  23-28 (45.0%)	  2-1	  2-0	  0-0
  C-USA	  33-41 (44.5%)	  0-0	  4-1	  0-0
  Big Ten	  47-59 (44.3%)	  12-14	  2-5	  0-1
  Sun Belt	  10-13 (43.4%)	  0-0	  2-2	  0-0
  MAC	  21-28 (42.8%)	  0-1	  2-5	  0-1
It's not the best measure, and certainly not the only one, but the SEC has done really well in bowl games during the BCS era. I think 2013 is a down year for the conference, but Alabama is still exceptionally good, and I expect to see them play Oregon for the MNC game. The mid-tier teams have a lot of issues this year, but it's not much different than any other conference. This year, sure the SEC is over-rated. The last 6 years though? No, not really. They have been dominating.
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What's the SEC's record in bowl games against non-conference opponents, or record in the regular season against non-conference opponents? I don't know the answer but I think it's pretty damn good. I don't think the SEC is overrated, I think they've earned their reputation as the best. Rankings aside I can see it when I watch the games, the SEC teams are faster, bigger, stronger, and tougher. The number of players that are selected in the draft every year should also be a telling stat. I don't know the numbers, but I'll bet it's alot.
As far as this year goes:

Kentucky beat Miami (OH), lost to Western Kentucky and Louisville. 1-2

Vanderbilt beat Austin Peay, UAB, and UMASS. 3-0.

Tennessee beat Austin Peay, Western Kentucky, South Alabama, lost to Oregon. 3-1

Georgia beat North Texas, lost to Clemson. 1-1.

Florida beat Toledo, lost to Miami. 1-1.

South Carolina beat North Carolina and UCF. 2-0.

Missouri beat Murray State, Toledo, Indiana, and Arkansas State. 4-0.

Arkansas beat Louisiana-Lafayette, Samford, and Southern Miss, lost to Rutgers. 3-1.

Mississippi State beat Alcorn State, Troy, and Bowling Green, lost to Oklahoma State. 3-1.

Ole Miss beat SE Missouri State, and Texas. 2-0.

A&M beat Rice, Sam Houston State, and SMU. 3-0.

LSU beat TCU, UAB, and Kent State. 3-0.

Auburn beat Washington State, Arkansas State, and Western Carolina. 3-0.

Alabama beat Virginia Tech, Colorado State, and Georgia State. 3-0.

That's a record of 35-7. Nice record, but not a lot of impressive victories. Almost all are against pretty weak competition and the conference has lost some big games. You'd have to compare that to other conferences and then look at strength of schedule.

SEC is definitely down this year.
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As far as this year goes:

Kentucky beat Miami (OH), lost to Western Kentucky and Louisville. 1-2

Vanderbilt beat Austin Peay, UAB, and UMASS. 3-0.

Tennessee beat Austin Peay, Western Kentucky, South Alabama, lost to Oregon. 3-1

Georgia beat North Texas, lost to Clemson. 1-1.

Florida beat Toledo, lost to Miami. 1-1.

South Carolina beat North Carolina and UCF. 2-0.

Missouri beat Murray State, Toledo, Indiana, and Arkansas State. 4-0.

Arkansas beat Louisiana-Lafayette, Samford, and Southern Miss, lost to Rutgers. 3-1.

Mississippi State beat Alcorn State, Troy, and Bowling Green, lost to Oklahoma State. 3-1.

Ole Miss beat SE Missouri State, and Texas. 2-0.

A&M beat Rice, Sam Houston State, and SMU. 3-0.

LSU beat TCU, UAB, and Kent State. 3-0.

Auburn beat Washington State, Arkansas State, and Western Carolina. 3-0.

Alabama beat Virginia Tech, Colorado State, and Georgia State. 3-0.

That's a record of 35-7. Nice record, but not a lot of impressive victories. Almost all are against pretty weak competition and the conference has lost some big games. You'd have to compare that to other conferences and then look at strength of schedule.

SEC is definitely down this year.
How many teams have great out of conference opponents? Look at the SEC facing itself and the quality of football therein.
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How many teams have great out of conference opponents? Look at the SEC facing itself and the quality of football therein.
That's why I said you would have to look at other conferences and then look at strength of schedule on those out of conference games.

Part of the argument for the SEC being overrated is those SEC conference games. The argument is that the preseason polls overrate SEC teams based on past performance. This carries over into the season when SEC teams play each other, because they end up not dropping far in the rankings when they lose to another SEC team. That means when they lose later to another team in a similar situation, it happens again. It just snowballs basically all because of the preseason rankings and then the AP keeping that whole preseason ranking vibe going throughout the season. The BCS rankings are also partially based on these polls and those polls are basically based on the preseason rankings, as I was saying. That's the argument for the SEC being overrated from what I understand. Hope I did an ok job at explaining that.

Normally, I understand why the SEC has highly ranked teams throughout the season. They normally have some great teams at the top. This year, not so much and you're seeing the above argument playing out. You have Alabama and Missouri (jury still out on them), but almost everyone else isn't who they were supposed to be. Teams like Florida and Georgia were ranked for far too long and eventually just had to get dropped, because they kept losing.
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That's why I said you would have to look at other conferences and then look at strength of schedule on those out of conference games.

Part of the argument for the SEC being overrated is those SEC conference games. The argument is that the preseason polls overrate SEC teams based on past performance. This carries over into the season when SEC teams play each other, because they end up not dropping far in the rankings when they lose to another SEC team. That means when they lose later to another team in a similar situation, it happens again. It just snowballs basically all because of the preseason rankings and then the AP keeping that whole preseason ranking vibe going throughout the season. The BCS rankings are also partially based on these polls and those polls are basically based on the preseason rankings, as I was saying. That's the argument for the SEC being overrated from what I understand. Hope I did an ok job at explaining that.

Normally, I understand why the SEC has highly ranked teams throughout the season. They normally have some great teams at the top. This year, not so much and you're seeing the above argument playing out. You have Alabama and Missouri (jury still out on them), but almost everyone else isn't who they were supposed to be. Teams like Florida and Georgia were ranked for far too long and eventually just had to get dropped, because they kept losing.
Ehh. There is bias towards the SEC, sure. I'd argue that it's deserved... but, well, let's wait and see how this season shakes out. This is definitely a down year for the SEC though. If the Nat'l game ends up being Oregon vs. Bama and Oregon wins, it'll confirm that this year at least the SEC was overrated. If Bama wins again, though... well, there ya have it. Threepeat speaks for itself. Also waiting on the rest of the SEC's bowl schedule and W-L record.

For the record I'm 90% A&M is going to miss out on the Sugar Bowl. I don't think Auburn loses the two games (probably only lose to Bama, though I'll be cheering for Ole Miss to knock them off) we need them to and I feel like we're going to fall to LSU in Death Valley. A lesser bowl is more likely.
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