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Old 10-17-2013   #1
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Default Question for the anti-Keenum crowd

Are you even going to give him as a fan the same rope you would afford any other first time starting QB?

You do realize that's what he is one and ANY other first time starter would be given rope to hang himself with (meaning multiple games...more than 2 at bare....bare minimum). I feel like I can already hear the mouth breathing hyperventilating from some fans in general, not just on TT but everywhere just waiting to chortle at that first pick he throws (never mind he is playing against a bad ass Chiefs defense AND Kubiak will probably still shackle him play call wise).

Schaub has had plenty of time to be "the guy" and frankly has melted down and now he is injured and unless you have rainbow and lollipop fantasies about still winning a SB this year why would you be so against seeing what the kid has? We saw plenty of Yates in the past, we know what he has. Time to see what we have in the cupboard or would it be better to continue to just slurp at the altar of mediocrity whilst grabbing ankle as a fan base per the norm and just be satisfied with scraping into the playoffs with Yates, Schaub or X, Y, Z QB we could sign off his couch?

I'm honestly NOT trying to attack your position, I am trying to understand it. I feel like we are dealing with simple concepts here but some how it became splitting the atom all the sudden.

For the record, I don't think the majority of Keenum supporters think he is the savior....I don't until I see otherwise. But is it THAT hard to see we're not going anywhere with Schaub or Yates at QB? Hell I would be fine with fuqng Big Bird starting a damn game compared to the decrepit vomitous abomination I have seen the last few games if nothing else to see this coach and front office finally make some kind, any kind of ballsy move. Jeebus.
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... Yes?

What the Keenum fan club is missing is that people are not "anti-Keenum". They/we are anti-unfounded hype/ridiculous hyperbole/expectations. I think that most every fan of the Texans wants to see Keenum succeed.
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What the Keenum fan club is missing is that people are not "anti-Keenum". They/we are anti-unfounded hype/ridiculous hyperbole/expectations. I think that most every fan of the Texans wants to see Keenum succeed.

Spot on for me, msr
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What the Keenum fan club is missing is that people are not "anti-Keenum". They/we are anti-unfounded hype/ridiculous hyperbole/expectations. I think that most every fan of the Texans wants to see Keenum succeed.
100% agree, I'm not anti Keenum but I'm not pumping sunshine up my own ass because I don't think this is a great scenario for us. The chances that we have been stuffing an all pro-bowl QB that noone else knew about on our roster is very low.

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100% agree, I'm not anti Keenum but I'm not pumping sunshine up my own ass because I don't think this is a great scenario for us. The chances that we have been stuffing an all pro-bowl QB that noone else knew about on our roster is very low.

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This is what is frustrating me....WHO is saying he is the next Pro Bowl QB? Did anyone read the OP?

W-H-O is saying he is the savior? I need to know who is instigating all this confusion??

I'm not saying he is the next Montana. You guys just want to keep seeing the same ole same ole?

Also, as most probably know, I am the bane of sunshine pumpers so there is none of that going on here.

:EDIT: that my frustration is not at you personally, I just don't get how half the fans are misreading the other half of the fans and vice versa.
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This is what is frustrating me....WHO is saying he is the next Pro Bowl QB? Did anyone read the OP?

W-H-O is saying he is the savior? I need to know who is instigating all this confusion??

I'm not saying he is the next Montana. You guys just want to keep seeing the same ole same ole?

Also, as most probably know, I am the bane of sunshine pumpers so there is none of that going on here.

:EDIT: that my frustration is not at you personally, I just don't get how half the fans are misreading the other half of the fans and vice versa.
No worries I'm very frustrated as well, we have way too much talent on this team to be 2-4 but it just goes to show us that the most important player is the QB. Man have you listened to the radio today, have you seen the 15 page Case Keenum thread?

I'm tired of messing around with Kubiak, I want a f'ing winner on this team from a coach, and a QB. I want a warrior, a fighter, a leader.. Not a friggin denny's menu...

So I guess my frustration is on multiple levels at this point.
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... Yes?

What the Keenum fan club is missing is that people are not "anti-Keenum". They/we are anti-unfounded hype/ridiculous hyperbole/expectations. I think that most every fan of the Texans wants to see Keenum succeed.
I get that. But not all Keenum "supporters" are wanting to see him play because of some delusion of grandeur or some hype. It's because this team has become the definition of insanity and that frustration is pouring out in the form of wanting to see something different.

So it's the same type of frustration.
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What the Keenum fan club is missing is that people are not "anti-Keenum". They/we are anti-unfounded hype/ridiculous hyperbole/expectations. I think that most every fan of the Texans wants to see Keenum succeed.
That sums it up nicely.

Idgaf who the QB is, I will support him/her/it. I expect people to be just a hard as they would be on anyone else that is playing QB. If he makes a mistake, say it's a mistake and move on.
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I'm not anti-Keenum as well, but I am hesitant that he'll come in and do better than Schaub. He may do better than Schaub the past 4 games, that's not too difficult. But I don't think he'll do better than the Schaub we've seen in the past. And yes, I do believe Schaub can regain his old form.

To be honest, I don't care who our QB is, I just want to win!
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What the Keenum fan club is missing is that people are not "anti-Keenum". They/we are anti-unfounded hype/ridiculous hyperbole/expectations. I think that most every fan of the Texans wants to see Keenum succeed.
Spot on for me too. I never root against young guys.When posters start using college as a reason,that's part of my thing. I hope he plays well,but the elephant in the room is andrew luck. They have luck,we're starting a guy who wasn't drafted. Let that sink in.
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I like that he's a coog but realistically I'm not expecting much. I'm mostly sick of seeing what used to be a good QB regress into a rookie. I'm done with Yates playing like Schaub. I'd like to think he can succeed but the oline is below average on pass protection and hell still be running the same plays that helped doom the other 2 qbs. Like I said I'm ready to see if someone can do the job that the starter failed to accomplish which is to manage the game and not phk it up.
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Prior to the season, I stated that I thought we should go with Schaub because of his experience in the system and because he gives us the best chance of winning by NOT making mistakes. He was at his best last year when he was working entirely within the system and not trying to pus things, just taking what the defense was giving whether that was the long ball (Denver) or the short ball (1st Jacksonville game.)

But the last several games (going back to last season), Schaub has not been that guy. He's making uncharacteristic mistakes and they look unforced. Sometimes guys get into slumps and have to play their way out of it. I've been waiting for Schaub to wake up and it hasn't been happening. (Although that last game was more on the rest of the team for me.)

I know a lot of people are touchy about this but I don't think Kubiak made a mistake by sticking with a guy he's had some success with and a guy he trusts. I'm not anti-Kubiak like a lot of people here. I think he's a good coach with a good team.

But.

I'm excited about Keenum. I'm excited to see what he can do when bullets start flying for real. I'm hoping he's a gamer and I'm hoping the rest of the team is going to rally around his spark.

I was hoping that we'd be able to draft a good QB next draft and have a year or two to develop him. But if Schaub doesn't turn his head around, then we don't have the year or two I thought we did. If that's the case, I hope Case is The Guy. I hope Case becomes the next Warner/Brady, an unheralded UDFA/late rounder taking over for an incumbent QB knocked out of the line-up by injury and leading his team to the Super Bowl.

He's my QB and he's on my team so I'm going to be rooting for him.
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What the Keenum fan club is missing is that people are not "anti-Keenum". They/we are anti-unfounded hype/ridiculous hyperbole/expectations. I think that most every fan of the Texans wants to see Keenum succeed.
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100% agree, I'm not anti Keenum but I'm not pumping sunshine up my own ass because I don't think this is a great scenario for us. The chances that we have been stuffing an all pro-bowl QB that noone else knew about on our roster is very low.

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These have typed what I have been posting/thinking.

That said, I am not going stop wishing the best for "hope and change" keenum if he has a bad game against the hottest pass rush in the league. One good or bad game does not make a career. Remember Matt Flynn once dropped 6TDs in a real NFL game, and could not keep a QB job after two teams gave him real $$$$.
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Prior to the season, I stated that I thought we should go with Schaub because of his experience in the system and because he gives us the best chance of winning by NOT making mistakes. He was at his best last year when he was working entirely within the system and not trying to pus things, just taking what the defense was giving whether that was the long ball (Denver) or the short ball (1st Jacksonville game.)

But the last several games (going back to last season), Schaub has not been that guy. He's making uncharacteristic mistakes and they look unforced. Sometimes guys get into slumps and have to play their way out of it. I've been waiting for Schaub to wake up and it hasn't been happening. (Although that last game was more on the rest of the team for me.)

I know a lot of people are touchy about this but I don't think Kubiak made a mistake by sticking with a guy he's had some success with and a guy he trusts. I'm not anti-Kubiak like a lot of people here. I think he's a good coach with a good team.

But.

I'm excited about Keenum. I'm excited to see what he can do when bullets start flying for real. I'm hoping he's a gamer and I'm hoping the rest of the team is going to rally around his spark.

I was hoping that we'd be able to draft a good QB next draft and have a year or two to develop him. But if Schaub doesn't turn his head around, then we don't have the year or two I thought we did. If that's the case, I hope Case is The Guy. I hope Case becomes the next Warner/Brady, an unheralded UDFA/late rounder taking over for an incumbent QB knocked out of the line-up by injury and leading his team to the Super Bowl.

He's my QB and he's on my team so I'm going to be rooting for him.
I couldn't have said it any better!

If a player is struggling, you have to give him a chance to play out of it. If we immediately got rid of every player that struggled, then we'd be in constant search of perfect players that don't exist.

Now getting that out of the way... lets go Case!!!
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I fall down laughing at all the college rah rah "my team" fans who are not currently enrolled. I get having a sports team to root for but to go bonkers, destroy property or want to fight another person is junior highesh to me. Last weekend, I was at a neighbor's whom I've known for 4 years to eat steak & watch football. Texas Tech vs Iowa State (1-3) one of the games we were to flip between. His bipolar brother shows up & before we are through first quarter he is pumping new coach as greatest & TT as a great team. I said "Look, I like the coach TT is good but let's see how they do rest of season". Well that went over like screen door on submarine. Game became secondary & brother Mike began getting louder & calling me crazy & talking out my a-s-s. I replied, "why are you getting angry? Listen, TT is not one of the top schools that coaches want to go to." He & my neighbor "top 10. top 10" I said not even top 30. Mike tries to get his fat butt off couch saying "you are fixing to get your ass kicked! You are talking about my school like you just called my daughter a slut!"

Wait..what? I poured my tea down sink , thought wistfully about ribeye on grill & left. Of course, I had to research & knock on Tom's door with Texas Tech currently rated # 41 in nation for coaches job. Game result Tech won 42-35 (hardly great).

Look, if you watched Keenum in college, he is a very good QB with some mechanical flaws like every college QB. He could be Brees or not. Why take a position until we see him play?
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I fall down laughing at all the college rah rah "my team" fans who are not currently enrolled. I get having a sports team to root for but to go bonkers, destroy property or want to fight another person is junior highesh to me. Last weekend, I was at a neighbor's whom I've known for 4 years to eat steak & watch football. Texas Tech vs Iowa State (1-3) one of the games we were to flip between. His bipolar brother shows up & before we are through first quarter he is pumping new coach as greatest & TT as a great team. I said "Look, I like the coach TT is good but let's see how they do rest of season". Well that went over like screen door on submarine. Game became secondary & brother Mike began getting louder & calling me crazy & talking out my a-s-s. I replied, "why are you getting angry? Listen, TT is not one of the top schools that coaches want to go to." He & my neighbor "top 10. top 10" I said not even top 30. Mike tries to get his fat butt off couch saying "you are fixing to get your ass kicked! You are talking about my school like you just called my daughter a slut!"

Wait..what? I poured my tea down sink , thought wistfully about ribeye on grill & left. Of course, I had to research & knock on Tom's door with Texas Tech currently rated # 41 in nation for coaches job. Game result Tech won 42-35 (hardly great).

Look, if you watched Keenum in college, he is a very good QB with some mechanical flaws like every college QB. He could be Brees or not. Why take a position until we see him play?
Well... it was a Tech fan.

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Spot on for me too. I never root against young guys.When posters start using college as a reason,that's part of my thing. I hope he plays well,but the elephant in the room is andrew luck. They have luck,we're starting a guy who wasn't drafted. Let that sink in.
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So after reading the thread so far, it seems most are more upset about the supposed "hype" about Case than Case himself.

But I'm still confused because I don't know that the majority of "pro-Keenum" fans think he is the answer. If someone is posting highlights of Brady or something I could see doing that just as a rebuttal to someone making a blanket statement that Keenum sucks because he was undrafted. Both arguments are ridiculous and invalid IMO.

But the point is, majority of "Keenumites" or whatever you want to say just want to A) see a change almost for change's sake and B) want to give the kid a shot because let's face it C) realistically, this season is quickly swirling the bowl.

I guess that is more the angle I'm looking at it from and I assume most other Keenum "fans" are.
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So after reading the thread so far, it seems most are more upset about the supposed "hype" about Case than Case himself.

But I'm still confused because I don't know that the majority of "pro-Keenum" fans think he is the answer. If someone is posting highlights of Brady or something I could see doing that just as a rebuttal to someone making a blanket statement that Keenum sucks because he was undrafted. Both arguments are ridiculous and invalid IMO.

But the point is, majority of "Keenumites" or whatever you want to say just want to A) see a change almost for change's sake and B) want to give the kid a shot because let's face it C) realistically, this season is quickly swirling the bowl.

I guess that is more the angle I'm looking at it from and I assume most other Keenum "fans" are.
Add a large amount of "hope" and "praying to the football gods" and that's pretty much where I'm at. I just want to win. That's all. It would be sweet if home town boy makes good.
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So after reading the thread so far, it seems most are more upset about the supposed "hype" about Case than Case himself.

But I'm still confused because I don't know that the majority of "pro-Keenum" fans think he is the answer. If someone is posting highlights of Brady or something I could see doing that just as a rebuttal to someone making a blanket statement that Keenum sucks because he was undrafted. Both arguments are ridiculous and invalid IMO.

But the point is, majority of "Keenumites" or whatever you want to say just want to A) see a change almost for change's sake and B) want to give the kid a shot because let's face it C) realistically, this season is quickly swirling the bowl.

I guess that is more the angle I'm looking at it from and I assume most other Keenum "fans" are.
It's not "supposed" hype...i rode into work this morning listening to guys comparing him to Tom Brady...going on sunshine filled rants about how he was going to be the next great qb in this league...The hype is definitely real.

But to get back on topic, lots of people have nailed it for me. The hype surrounding what he "can" do/be is trumping the reality of what he's likely to do/be......I refuse to hyped about it until i get something to base the hype on....& sorry, youtube videos of college tape & a few preseason plays don't do it for me...
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