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Old 10-03-2013   #1
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whys sumlin even considering this? seems like tamu is on par with usc. anyone know what tamu pays sumlin? didnt he just build a huge house?
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He'd probably have a better chance at a nat'l title at USC. I am clueless about the money aspect though.

Recruiting would probably be easier as well.
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His original contract at TAMU was for around $2 million/ year. Then he received an extension paying him a hair over $ 3 million a year until around 2017 plus bonuses.... IIRC.

Not to worry. He won't be going anywhere until the pros come a callin'!
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You can view Sumlin's full contract HERE
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Default Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?

USC is still under sanctions, and I understand that they were a contributing factor to the results that Lane Kiffen got (or maybe he's really that bad). So that's a reason for Sumlin to stay where he is.
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Default Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?

A&m can match money plus his wife and kids love CS.
USC will be a rebuilding project for whatever coach they hire so they will have to pay big

Once texas money whips Saban for $10M per year it won't matter anyways right longhorns??
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I'll enjoy it immensely if Sumlin does decide to bail out of College Station and head for the west coast. I'll be grinning ear to ear over it actually.

I mean, how can you hold it against the man? Coaching at USC is an opportunity to coach at a school that's in rare company. A&M has never and will never be in that tier.
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I'll enjoy it immensely if Sumlin does decide to bail out of College Station and head for the west coast. I'll be grinning ear to ear over it actually.

I mean, how can you hold it against the man? Coaching at USC is an opportunity to coach at a school that's in rare company. A&M has never and will never be in tier.
This.

With Summlin, T&M will be the Leach-era Texas Tech of the SEC at best. A great team, but never really at the top of the conference.

Once Manziel bails...
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whys sumlin even considering this? seems like tamu is on par with usc. anyone know what tamu pays sumlin? didnt he just build a huge house?
Not even close....

recruiting for USC >> TAMU

Money at USC > TAMU

Natl title aspirations for USC >>>> TAMU....as long as Saban is in Bama anyway.

Program prestige at USC >>>>>>> TAMU

Living in LA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in college station

for what it's worth though, i hope he stays....
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Not even close....

recruiting for USC >> TAMU

Money at USC > TAMU

Natl title aspirations for USC >>>> TAMU....as long as Saban is in Bama anyway.

Program prestige at USC >>>>>>> TAMU

Living in LA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in college station

for what it's worth though, i hope he stays....
I already addressed the first point earlier. Take a look at their recruiting classes.

As for money, if you think A&M can't throw more money at Sumlin than USC, you're wrong.
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I already addressed the first point earlier. Take a look at their recruiting classes.

As for money, if you think A&M can't throw more money at Sumlin than USC, you're wrong.
USC recruits itself. They signed 8 blue-chip recruits the last 2 years while under sanctions. A&M has signed 1 blue-chip in the same time frame.

USC's recruiting is down this year because of Lane Kiffin's implosion. Already, since his firing, top recruits on the west coast are interested in USC again. If Sumlin were at USC, he would bring in top 3 classes every single year.

And A&M can throw a ton of money at Sumlin, but you're fooling yourself if you think USC can't outbid them.
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USC recruits itself. They signed 8 blue-chip recruits the last 2 years while under sanctions. A&M has signed 1 blue-chip in the same time frame.

USC's recruiting is down this year because of Lane Kiffin's implosion. Already, since his firing, top recruits on the west coast are interested in USC again. If Sumlin were at USC, he would bring in top 3 classes every single year.

And A&M can throw a ton of money at Sumlin, but you're fooling yourself if you think USC can't outbid them.
Didn't see this, you basically said the same thing I just posted.

California has an equal amount of top players than does Texas and USC gets their pick of them when they are producing. They also pull recruits from all over the nation, even from Florida.
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Default Re: IS USC Better Than TAMU?

If we were to go to San Diego & ask 100 people if they knew the name of the last two Texas A&M head coaches were, how many do you think would answer with 1 correct name?

If we were to go to Houston & ask 100 people if they knew the name of the last two USC coaches, how many do you think would answer with 1 correct name?

If you were to ask 1,000 people in San Francisco to name 2 people that ever QB'd for A&M, how many would come up with a correct name?

If you were to ask 1,000 people in San Antonio to name 2 people that ever QB'd for USC, how many would come up with a correct name?

True enough, A&M is closer to a National Title than USC, but as soon as those sanction measures are done, USC will be back on top again.
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I already addressed the first point earlier. Take a look at their recruiting classes.

As for money, if you think A&M can't throw more money at Sumlin than USC, you're wrong.
Sumlin's system is basically 7 on 7...& With the explosion of 7 on 7 all over the nation...getting decent to top recruits to want to play in that kind of system won't be a problem...especially out there. Apart from that... valuing recruiting classes has become largely overated & highly inaccurate over the years. You simply don't know what you have until the kid steps on campus...beefs up & then onto the field ....Manziel was a 3 star recruit coming out....not really on anyone's radar...you know the rest. I say all that to say it'll be easy to find guys to play in Sumlin's system whether he has a top recruiting class or not.

As far as A&M throwing money at him...sure they could...but that's really all they can do....As a UofH grad, we heard the same thing about his family loving Houston....apparently, they didn't love it too much though.

if the money is relatively even....A&M will loses every time.
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I think the recruiting angle is fairly negligible honestly. While USC might be looked on more favorably than A&M by the national population, there are a **** ton of talented kids coming out of Texas H.S. Football programs, especially QB's. USC might be easier to recruit a talented defense due to it's "linebacker U" label, but a coach like Sumlin probably gets his choice of QB's, WR's and O-linemen.

He can more than likely dig up the kind of recruits that he would need to compete in the SEC, and his schemes seem really good at putting up gaudy numbers. Right now, Sumlin is either some kind of offensive mastermind, or he's gotten extremely lucky in who he took over for and what they already had on the roster. I'm leaning towards the former since he did it with UH and with TAMU.
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