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Old 09-23-2013   #1
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Default The real problem is.....

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Even Brady or the all mighty Rodgers couldnt get a pass off with this kind of protection. Rush 4 drop 7....... daaaaaaam.
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Default Re: The real problem is.....

that was 3 plays......sure they contributed but did they throw the pick 6? did they give up a punt return for a td?

The bottom line is Schaub and special teams is our problem.....no oline is perfect, sacks happen....deal with it
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that was 3 plays......sure they contributed but did they throw the pick 6? did they give up a punt return for a td?

The bottom line is Schaub and special teams is our problem.....no oline is perfect, sacks happen....deal with it
When he got intercepted he had four rushing and seven in coverege. I know he had a bad game and of course I 100% agree that special teams, aside from Lechler is horrible. But this is a 4000 yard passer, give him time to throw and we will get far. Look how bad it went for Rodgers with no run game.
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Default Re: The real problem is.....

Watch the time clock on the top 2. 3 seconds each to connect. Schaub's lead feet just make it look like they aren't doing their job. How much time do you think an offensive line needs to give a professional QB. And heaven forbid Schaub should move...
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Default Re: The real problem is.....

And in the third one Schaub was going for the dirt five yards before Ngata even got to him when he coulda just run to his left, picked him, and made a gain.
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Default Re: The real problem is.....

Manning is shredding the Oakland defense throwing into double-coverages ... without a starting LT ... and with a four surgery neck and not much mobility. And you are saying our QB isn't the issue? Oh, ok ...
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When he got intercepted he had four rushing and seven in coverege. I know he had a bad game and of course I 100% agree that special teams, aside from Lechler is horrible. But this is a 4000 yard passer, give him time to throw and we will get far. Look how bad it went for Rodgers with no run game.
A 4000 yard passer doesn't hold the same enamor as it once used to.

Rodgers did not cost his team the game vs Cinci. An untimely fumble did (which Rodgers was no part of)

Schaub had plenty of time yesterday. He gets the happy feet and panics.
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that was 3 plays......sure they contributed but did they throw the pick 6? did they give up a punt return for a td?

The bottom line is Schaub and special teams is our problem.....no oline is perfect, sacks happen....deal with it
and no QB is perfect...Schaub is way above average, not the best.
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Even Brady or the all mighty Rodgers couldnt get a pass off with this kind of protection. Rush 4 drop 7....... daaaaaaam.
On 2 of those three plays, any somewhat mobile QB like Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees would've shifted the pocket or at least had a more productive results. I'm still not certain of whether Schaub or Kubiak is more at fault. Is Kubiak completely shackling Schaub or does Schaub just suck that bad at reading a defense. I kinda lean towards Kubiak being more at fault until I watch video of Schaub.
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All I see here is an immobile QB ...
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On 2 of those three plays, any somewhat mobile QB like Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees would've shifted the pocket or at least had a more productive results. I'm still not certain of whether Schaub or Kubiak is more at fault. Is Kubiak completely shackling Schaub or does Schaub just suck that bad at reading a defense. I kinda lean towards Kubiak being more at fault until I watch video of Schaub.
I kinda lean towards Schaub's inadequacies shackling Kubiak .... Kubiak has shown the ability to get receiver's open while Schaub hasn't shown he can move , throw a dart or hit a guy accurately deep .... even Kevin Walter had to hit the brakes and wait on balls from the noodle armed statue.
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I kinda lean towards Schaub's inadequacies shackling Kubiak .... Kubiak has shown the ability to get receiver's open while Schaub hasn't shown he can move , throw a dart or hit a guy accurately deep .... even Kevin Walter had to hit the brakes and wait on balls from the noodle armed statue.
So you agree that more athletic QB play could lead to better offensive performances? Didn't Yates and Keenum both prove to be more athletic, just as athletic and have a good grasp of the offensive system? What's the big damn deal?
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So you agree that more athletic QB play could lead to better offensive performances? Didn't Yates and Keenum both prove to be more athletic, just as athletic and have a good grasp of the offensive system? What's the big damn deal?
And one of those showed to be deadly accurate deep.
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And one of those showed to be deadly accurate deep.
You mean Yates who threw 4 accurate interceptions to the Ravens two seasons ago?

I don't quite remember seeing Case throw any deep balls yet in the NFL.
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Let's get real. This is what Keenum did against the cowboys starting defense.

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-medi...6-8d21fbde2246

That's a 50 yard in the air pass from midfield 34 yard line (34.5 really) to five yards deep in the end zone with pinpoint accuracy. He connected twice like this with Jean. That's natural talent that has nothing to do with what defense he's facing.

Sure, they worked on their timing a lot. He did with Martin too then apparently because they were just as on. And AJ is hurt so we need a receiver to step up. His fakes were great, and when he faced pressure he had some wheels on it.

I've really been feeling like we all watched different games during the preseason or something, or just didn't pay attention because Schaub is your man.
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So you agree that more athletic QB play could lead to better offensive performances? Didn't Yates and Keenum both prove to be more athletic, just as athletic and have a good grasp of the offensive system? What's the big damn deal?
A few million dollars .... They have to admit that the contract they handed Schaub early last season was a mistake.
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A few million dollars .... They have to admit that the contract they handed Schaub early last season was a mistake.
I completely agree but then I look at what Pete Carrol did with Wilson and what Harbaugh did with Kaepernick and say WTF??? Why can't Kubiak have the stones to do that? It took MAJOY HUEVOS for Carrol to name Wilson the starter after signing what's his name to a FA contract. Just let the best man start and screw the money. Just win, baby.
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Even Brady or the all mighty Rodgers couldnt get a pass off with this kind of protection. Rush 4 drop 7....... daaaaaaam.
You cannot compare Hall of Fame destined QBs with championship pedigree with Matt Schaub.

Well, you can compare, of course, but it would be foolish to expect the same level of performance from Schaub that you would get from Brady or Rogers.

Besides, those guys are like OCs at the LOS, reading, adjusting, and taking on the blitz with audibles and quick release passes.

Kubiak's offense does not allow broad flexibility. Schaub can change some things, but nothing near what other QBs can do at the LOS. Either by design, or due to skill limitations, the Texans offense is fairly simple in that regard (this according to Sage Rosenfelds).

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I kinda lean towards Schaub's inadequacies shackling Kubiak .... Kubiak has shown the ability to get receiver's open while Schaub hasn't shown he can move , throw a dart or hit a guy accurately deep .... even Kevin Walter had to hit the brakes and wait on balls from the noodle armed statue.
I think Kubiak could do a lot with a better skilled QB. However, it is Kubiak's decision to make Schaub the man, so ultimately, he lives and dies with that decision and Schaub's performances.

Do you think Kubiak will outlast Schaub with the Texans? I think McNair will give him more than enough patience, but how long will Kubiak keep his wagon tied to Schaub's horse?
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A few million dollars .... They have to admit that the contract they handed Schaub early last season was a mistake.
I remember one of the first press conferences/speeches that Kubiak gave his first day on the job 7+ yrs. ago. He said he didn't care how much money a player made or where they were drafted, he was going to play the best players that gave the team a chance to win. Fast forward to the present and he's now playing the guys with the biggest contract because to do otherwise would be admitting that they made a mistake. So we're playing Schaub because someones ego would get bruised otherwise. Pitiful.
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ehhh we just gotta run the ball more and I mean run it on


3 & 7

3&4

ad hope we can get it and if not 4th and 1 maybe we run it again


Running the ball one way to null the Blitzes
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