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Old 09-12-2013   #1
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Default Wednesday Injury Report: Texans vs. Titans

Strange that the Texans have chosen to leave the standard NFL website format of reporting injury status separately beginning Wednesdays and ending Fridays. In doing so, there is no real way of comparing day-to-day progression without researching the days separately. They have also taken away the ability to flip back to previous weeks to compare injuries......again without researching those other weekly reports separately. If I didn't know better, it would seem that the Texans don't want anyone having it easy to figure out the intricacies of what may be going on with injuries. For those of you that may not remember the old format, here is an example of the 2013 Tennessee Titans Injury Report.

Some notable changes in injury listings reported for the Texans.........

Limited Practice:

Owen Daniels with a "back/groin"
JJ Watt with a "quadriceps"

Full Practice:

Brown with an "ankle"
Keo with an "Achilles"
Mays with an "Achilles"
Meyers with a "back"
Brooks Reed with a "back"
Tate with a "shoulder"

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HOUSTON TEXANS

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TE Owen Daniels Back/Groin
FS Ed Reed Hip
LG Wade Smith Knee
DE J.J. Watt Quadriceps

FULL PARTICIPATION
LT Duane Brown Ankle
ILB Brian Cushing Knee
RB Arian Foster Calf
TE Garrett Graham Hip
S Shiloh Keo Achilles
ILB Joe Mays Quadriceps
CB Brice McCain Knee
C Chris Myers Back
WR DeVier Posey Achilles
OLB Brooks Reed Back
ILB Darryl Sharpton Concussion
RB Ben Tate Shoulder


TENNESSEE TITANS

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RB Shonn Greene Knee
P Brett Kern L. Calf
TE David Stewart Calf
WR Damian Williams Hamstring

FULL PARTICIPATION
LB Zaviar Gooden Ankle
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Speaking of injuries, what did you see from Foster leg), Schaub (foot), and Cushing (knee) that might provide some insight as to how close they are to being back at 100%??

oh and thanks for posting this report.
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Speaking of injuries, what did you see from Foster leg), Schaub (foot), and Cushing (knee) that might provide some insight as to how close they are to being back at 100%??

oh and thanks for posting this report.
Schaub looked much improved over last season IMO .... Much greater mobility when compared to what we saw at the tail end of last season.



@ Doc ...

The question I have is a simple one: Can we expect this Schaub every week .... or do you expect a medical regression over time with the lisfranc injury ?!?
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Schaub looked much improved over last season IMO .... Much greater mobility when compared to what we saw at the tail end of last season.



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The question I have is a simple one: Can we expect this Schaub every week .... or do you expect a medical regression over time with the lisfranc injury ?!?
Schaub seemed more mobile in the game against the Chargers, compared to the end of last season. Although he had some WTF type of throws, he found receivers often enough to pull out the game. The receivers in many cases were surprisingly wide open...........we might want to give all the credit to our receivers, but let us remember what team was out there supposedly rushing our QB and "covering" our receivers........not exactly a cast wrought with talent. As the season proceeds, the competition will be much tougher and the pressure on Schaub will pile on with the need to move in less open space, and to find receivers that are much more closely blanketed.

Repaired Lisfranc is not characteristically a "re-injury" risk (why I said that he was not held back from playing in the ProBowl). It is a high risk "wear down" injury..........following the path of an overuse injury like tendonitis. Furthermore, within 2 years of this injury, it is not uncommon for the patient to develop significant arthritis, which worsens with continued trauma. Schaub has had plenty of rest, seeing none or very little action during minicamps, OTAs, and preseason. Just like elbow tendonitis in a serious tennis player, rest will make things improve dramatically, but there is a very common cyclical recurrence and predictable decline in performance with resumption and continuance of overuse. So, yes, I would be surprised if Schaub does not demonstrate a "swan dive" somewhere down the line.
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Schaub seemed more mobile in the game against the Chargers, compared to the end of last season. Although he had some WTF type of throws, he found receivers often enough to pull out the game. The receivers in many cases were surprisingly wide open...........we might want to give all the credit to our receivers, but let us remember what team was out there supposedly rushing our QB and "covering" our receivers........not exactly a cast wrought with talent. As the season proceeds, the competition will be much tougher and the pressure on Schaub will pile on with the need to move in less open space, and to find receivers that are much more closely blanketed.

Repaired Lisfranc is not characteristically a "re-injury" risk (why I said that he was not held back from playing in the ProBowl). It is a high risk "wear down" injury..........following the path of an overuse injury like tendonitis. Furthermore, within 2 years of this injury, it is not uncommon for the patient to develop significant arthritis, which worsens with continued trauma. Schaub has had plenty of rest, seeing none or very little action during minicamps, OTAs, and preseason. Just like elbow tendonitis in a serious tennis player, rest will make things improve dramatically, but there is a very common cyclical recurrence and predictable decline in performance with resumption and continuance of overuse. So, yes, I would be surprised if Schaub does not demonstrate a "swan dive" somewhere down the line.
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You and all your doctor talk.

Where i come from you just rub dirt on it

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A Concussion ? Rub Dirt on it

You tell somebody in my home town that someone got decapitated and they ask "Well did they rub some dirt on it"

Apparently soil is an amazing antibiotic Gotta love country folks
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Schaub seemed more mobile in the game against the Chargers, compared to the end of last season. Although he had some WTF type of throws, he found receivers often enough to pull out the game. The receivers in many cases were surprisingly wide open...........we might want to give all the credit to our receivers, but let us remember what team was out there supposedly rushing our QB and "covering" our receivers........not exactly a cast wrought with talent. As the season proceeds, the competition will be much tougher and the pressure on Schaub will pile on with the need to move in less open space, and to find receivers that are much more closely blanketed.

Repaired Lisfranc is not characteristically a "re-injury" risk (why I said that he was not held back from playing in the ProBowl). It is a high risk "wear down" injury..........following the path of an overuse injury like tendonitis. Furthermore, within 2 years of this injury, it is not uncommon for the patient to develop significant arthritis, which worsens with continued trauma. Schaub has had plenty of rest, seeing none or very little action during minicamps, OTAs, and preseason. Just like elbow tendonitis in a serious tennis player, rest will make things improve dramatically, but there is a very common cyclical recurrence and predictable decline in performance with resumption and continuance of overuse. So, yes, I would be surprised if Schaub does not demonstrate a "swan dive" somewhere down the line.
I really hope they manage his health carefully .... so we don't see that downward spiral we saw from week 12-13 thru the end of the season again.


Thanks for the info Doc ....
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I really hope they manage his health carefully .... so we don't see that downward spiral we saw from week 12-13 thru the end of the season again.


Thanks for the info Doc ....
Well, the good news is that Sharpton is apparently planning on being All Pro this year:

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I never feel like I’m deteriorating,” he said. “Honestly, I feel like I’m rejuvenated. Every time I come back from an injury, I’m better than I was before. It’s like the more I get hurt, the better I get. It’s not like I’m breaking down. I feel like I’m as good as I’ve been as a football player.

And I would say he's well on his way to a HoF career.

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Speaking of injuries, what did you see from Foster leg), Schaub (foot), and Cushing (knee) that might provide some insight as to how close they are to being back at 100%??

oh and thanks for posting this report.
Foster was going down pretty easily. Certainly, he would be rusty after such a "break" from playing. But getting so little "push" could very well be a function of a sore calf and/or sore back. Also keep in mind that with long "rest" periods come atrophy of and loss of "memory" of muscles of the core and lower extremities that were not even originally injured. Put this on top of the fact he has come off of a high carry season. If his performance does not significantly improve over the next 2 games, I would be highly suspicious of continued problems related to one or both of his previous injuries.

Cushing seems to have a decent forward gear and does well in an unobstructed path, but is distinctly missing lateral explosiveness, a characteristic commonly seen post ACL. Like in the preseason, he still seems to be pushed around too easily.
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Foster was going down pretty easily. Certainly, he would be rusty after such a "break" from playing. But getting so little "push" could very well be a function of a sore calf and/or sore back. Also keep in mind that with long "rest" periods come atrophy of and loss of "memory" of muscles of the core and lower extremities that were not even originally injured. Put this on top of the fact he has come off of a high carry season. If his performance does not significantly improve over the next 2 games, I would be highly suspicious of continued problems related to one or both of his previous injuries.

Cushing seems to have a decent forward gear and does well in an unobstructed path, but is distinctly missing lateral explosiveness, a characteristic commonly seen post ACL. Like in the preseason, he still seems to be pushed around too easily.
So Foster's subpar output was due, most likely to the fact he's not 100% yet. And continued "off games" likely mean he shouldn't have come back just yet?

How long before Cush gets his game strength back...? Another month? Half the season? Next year?
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So Foster's subpar output was due, most likely to the fact he's not 100% yet. And continued "off games" likely mean he shouldn't have come back just yet?

How long before Cush gets his game strength back...? Another month? Half the season? Next year?


When UPS delivers is HGH, there was a weather delay in orlando on friday and his package never arrived. Damn Logistics....

Ouch that was wrong..

But seriously yeah i agree he is looking kinda weak out there if thats the right word for it, he looked pretty quick all night until the INT TD run, and then he looked really slow.
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So Foster's subpar output was due, most likely to the fact he's not 100% yet. And continued "off games" likely mean he shouldn't have come back just yet?

How long before Cush gets his game strength back...? Another month? Half the season? Next year?
Correct as pertains to what I see in Foster.

As far as Cushing, 12 months [notwithstanding the "miracle" early (still 9 months for return to first game play) and strong Adrian Peterson] is still the more reasonable mark to better assess his progress (~1 1/2 months from now). By then it is more likely that he will regain more lower limb strength. It may take up to 2 years to make a final assessment as to how far he CAN come back. I know that all the box jump videos and the like seem impressive and get everyone's blood stirring, but in the big picture, it serves as a good show, not a reflection of prediction of on-field return performance coming back from an ACL.

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Sharpton has finally passed his concussion protocol, and is now able to prepare for his next injury.
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Kubiak comments today:

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(on FS Ed Reed’s status) “I would just say the same thing that I said yesterday applies today. How about that?”

(on how much FS Ed Reed practiced today) “No, nothing different. He took a good portion of practice today. I’m going to go in there and visit with him and see where we’re at. It’ll be a game-time deal.”

(on working out FS Ed Reed before last week’s game and if that’ll happen again this week) “No, we made a decision late Sunday that we would work him out as a non-player, so we worked him harder. Obviously, this week, we’re heading in a different direction. We’re taking a look at him early before the game as a possible player. That would be the difference.”
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(on how WR DeVier Posey has been doing) “He’s doing good. He’s not all the way back yet. We knew that, but I think he’s getting very close. Last week, there weren’t a lot of offensive plays for him. Most of his plays came on special teams, but his practice this week was the best he’s had. I think he’s probably a few weeks away from being totally back and his confidence, and what he’s doing, physical shape, running all the routes and everything. But I feel better about him each day we go out.”

BTW, everyone was a FULL practice except Wade Smith and Ed Reed, who were LIMITED.........of course, a non-contact day. This was posted 1 hour ago.....and was labelled "THURSDAY INJURY REPORT" but dated 9/15/13. I would like to know what is really going on with the injury reports.
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