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The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.
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The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.
I think we looked rusty, and uninspired. We werent playing disiplined football on offense or defense, and i think the opening INT and quick score by the chargers threw us off. I'm not worried about the D, Antonio Smith will be back next and the pass rush will be much better !
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Our defense had a rough go for a half but still didn't give up a whole lot of yards. We played damn good defense the second half (if you can ignore the first drive).
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I think missing Ninja had a lot to do with a lack of putting pressure on QB. The lack of pressure resulting giving enough time for opposition QB to complete pass which makes our DBs look bad.
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I think we looked rusty, and uninspired. We werent playing disiplined football on offense or defense, and i think the opening INT and quick score by the chargers threw us off. I'm not worried about the D, Antonio Smith will be back next and the pass rush will be much better !
Overall defense has become harder to play.
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Oh i agree with that, but overall in the past off season not that many nig rule changes were made to the defense, only major one i saw was with RBs using crown of his helmet.

My point is not that much has changed on defense in the last 2 seasons so we will still be fine.
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Oh i agree with that, but overall in the past off season not that many nig rule changes were made to the defense, only major one i saw was with RBs using crown of his helmet.

My point is not that much has changed on defense in the last 2 seasons so we will still be fine.
Agree, but Brady, Manning, and others have brought more offense to game more than before..
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I think the passing game is too advanced and the rules are too far slanted toward offense in the NFL to run a predominantly man scheme. If you do so, you are likely to get burned by QBs and receivers that's are on point. As long as we run this scheme, we will likely have games where we get lit up in the passing game. Effective blitzing and knocking balls down at the line of scrimmage is pretty much our only chance to stop it. I don't expect us to be all that great against the pass this year.
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What rules are you saying changed this year which affected the Chargers game?
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The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.
Those are valid points/factors and I would add that we missed Antonio too.
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We held their offense to around 10 yards in the second half, if I'm not mistaken.

That's not too bad. I guess. Yeah, they looked rusty in the first half, but I'm not worried about them. Once Antonio is back, and Ed Reed...we'll be fine. Our D, at least.

More worried about the offense play calling and Foster. Foster NEEDS to be back. NEEDS to be healthy. His ypc has been slipping and it's becoming noticeable. Now, a lot of isn't just him, but my point is that he needs to be healthy to be effective.

Luckily this was his first game back, so maybe this was just a "getting the feet wet" type of game for him.
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The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.
Unless they changed a few rules back to the old rules between the first half & the second... I don't think it was a rule change issue.

Our defense kicked their ass in the second half with the most current rules intact.
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I really can't agree with a single assessment thus far in this thread. I feel the stubbornness of Wade Phillips to Blitz every other down is what got us into this mess in the first place. Of the 49 times Rivers was sacked last year, 35 came when rushing 4 or less. The guy can't deal with defenses dropping 6 into coverage, and yet, we sent 5 or 6 every other play. In addition, sending Swearinger to safety blitz is taking Danieal Manning's greatest quality away from his skill set, playing near the LOS and blitzing. I understand Ed Reed being out directly affects that decision but we have to be able to generate pressure without the blitz.

Phillips didn't adjust until after the opening TD drive in the third quarter, had he done so after the first 15 minutes we'd be singing a much different tune.

While I think this game plan will be much more effective against Jake Locker with his completion percentage woes, Phillip Rivers isn't the QB to play that game plan against. He sees single coverage matchups too easily and was picking on McCain and Reed.
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I really can't agree with a single assessment thus far in this thread. I feel the stubbornness of Wade Phillips to Blitz every other down is what got us into this mess in the first place. Of the 49 times Rivers was sacked last year, 35 came when rushing 4 or less. The guy can't deal with defenses dropping 6 into coverage, and yet, we sent 5 or 6 every other play. In addition, sending Swearinger to safety blitz is taking Danieal Manning's greatest quality away from his skill set, playing near the LOS and blitzing. I understand Ed Reed being out directly affects that decision but we have to be able to generate pressure without the blitz.

Phillips didn't adjust until after the opening TD drive in the third quarter, had he done so after the first 15 minutes we'd be singing a much different tune.

While I think this game plan will be much more effective against Jake Locker with his completion percentage woes, Phillip Rivers isn't the QB to play that game plan against. He sees single coverage matchups too easily and was picking on McCain and Reed.
This too! ^^^

Everyone on here is so quick to jump on Kubiak's stubbornness on offense, but I don't understand why Wade gets a free pass. Wade's frequently repeated blitz & man-coverage is equivalent to Kubiak's persistence to stick with the run.
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This too! ^^^

Everyone on here is so quick to jump on Kubiak's stubbornness on offense, but I don't understand why Wade gets a free pass. Wade's frequently repeated blitz & man-coverage is equivalent to Kubiak's persistence to stick with the run.
I personally don't get on Wade about being stubborn, is because I just don't see it. I don't think we played zone any more in the second half than we did in the first.

If the guys on the TV say we're playing man coverage doesn't necessarily make it so. It wasn't true in the Patriots game, it wasn't true in Monday night's game.

IMO, the biggest difference was who was playing what. Instead of playing Manning on the line & attacking the QB (like he did with 7:13 left in the first half) he put him on Antonio Gates in the second half.

Instead of Brian Cushing as the primary blitzer, like he was saying in the first half, he dropped Brian into coverage in the second half instead of Mays.

That one pass thrown past Brooks Reed for the TD..... I didn't see any other, could have been beat if Brooks had not let Matthews get into his route free. He should have put his hands on him, slowed him down.... that play wouldn't have happened, had nothing to do with the defensive play call.

As far as McCain getting beat in man coverage.... I said in another thread, that I've never seen Eddie Royal run so many routes so well. That is not his game. He was a second round bust, because he couldn't run anything but a go route. I would have expected him to hit us with a go route at some time during the game & I can't think of anyone other than Brice McCain who'd be fast enough to play him man-to-man. If I'd have known he was going to be running routes like that I'd have put the more physical Kareem on Royal, or Brandon Harris.
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I personally don't get on Wade about being stubborn, is because I just don't see it. I don't think we played zone any more in the second half than we did in the first.

If the guys on the TV say we're playing man coverage doesn't necessarily make it so. It wasn't true in the Patriots game, it wasn't true in Monday night's game.

IMO, the biggest difference was who was playing what. Instead of playing Manning on the line & attacking the QB (like he did with 7:13 left in the first half) he put him on Antonio Gates in the second half.

Instead of Brian Cushing as the primary blitzer, like he was saying in the first half, he dropped Brian into coverage in the second half instead of Mays.

That one pass thrown past Brooks Reed for the TD..... I didn't see any other, could have been beat if Brooks had not let Matthews get into his route free. He should have put his hands on him, slowed him down.... that play wouldn't have happened, had nothing to do with the defensive play call.

As far as McCain getting beat in man coverage.... I said in another thread, that I've never seen Eddie Royal run so many routes so well. That is not his game. He was a second round bust, because he couldn't run anything but a go route. I would have expected him to hit us with a go route at some time during the game & I can't think of anyone other than Brice McCain who'd be fast enough to play him man-to-man. If I'd have known he was going to be running routes like that I'd have put the more physical Kareem on Royal, or Brandon Harris.
There's so much fail in this post TK. From not running man coverage against the pats, to us not doing so in this game, to the Mathews TD not being an issue with the defensive play call, to Eddie Royal not being a good route runner, to Royal being a strictly go route guy. Huge fail all around.

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I personally don't get on Wade about being stubborn, is because I just don't see it. I don't think we played zone any more in the second half than we did in the first.

If the guys on the TV say we're playing man coverage doesn't necessarily make it so. It wasn't true in the Patriots game, it wasn't true in Monday night's game.

IMO, the biggest difference was who was playing what. Instead of playing Manning on the line & attacking the QB (like he did with 7:13 left in the first half) he put him on Antonio Gates in the second half.

Instead of Brian Cushing as the primary blitzer, like he was saying in the first half, he dropped Brian into coverage in the second half instead of Mays.

That one pass thrown past Brooks Reed for the TD..... I didn't see any other, could have been beat if Brooks had not let Matthews get into his route free. He should have put his hands on him, slowed him down.... that play wouldn't have happened, had nothing to do with the defensive play call.

As far as McCain getting beat in man coverage.... I said in another thread, that I've never seen Eddie Royal run so many routes so well. That is not his game. He was a second round bust, because he couldn't run anything but a go route. I would have expected him to hit us with a go route at some time during the game & I can't think of anyone other than Brice McCain who'd be fast enough to play him man-to-man. If I'd have known he was going to be running routes like that I'd have put the more physical Kareem on Royal, or Brandon Harris.
I stopped reading after your first statement because even Wade Phillips came out and said as much as we played a lot more zone in the second half. You obviously don't have a clear understanding of defense in professional football.
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I really can't agree with a single assessment thus far in this thread. I feel the stubbornness of Wade Phillips to Blitz every other down is what got us into this mess in the first place. Of the 49 times Rivers was sacked last year, 35 came when rushing 4 or less. The guy can't deal with defenses dropping 6 into coverage, and yet, we sent 5 or 6 every other play. In addition, sending Swearinger to safety blitz is taking Danieal Manning's greatest quality away from his skill set, playing near the LOS and blitzing. I understand Ed Reed being out directly affects that decision but we have to be able to generate pressure without the blitz.

Phillips didn't adjust until after the opening TD drive in the third quarter, had he done so after the first 15 minutes we'd be singing a much different tune.

While I think this game plan will be much more effective against Jake Locker with his completion percentage woes, Phillip Rivers isn't the QB to play that game plan against. He sees single coverage matchups too easily and was picking on McCain and Reed.
My thoughts exactly... we don't have the secondary to play man coverage against the above average QBs in the league. I'm still seeing our DBs and safeties playing chase with WRs and TEs on intermediate and deep routes vs. being in position to turn around and defend the pass.

Something has to change or we're going to be out of the playoffs early just like the last 2 years.
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My thoughts exactly... we don't have the secondary to play man coverage against the above average QBs in the league. I'm still seeing our DBs and safeties playing chase with WRs and TEs on intermediate and deep routes vs. being in position to turn around and defend the pass.

Something has to change or we're going to be out of the playoffs early just like the last 2 years.
Nobody has the secondary to play man coverage 90% of the time. Even with 3 pro bowl corners, it's not going to work. That's the point. The scheme is a failure against good passing teams. Like I said, our only chance is to get to the quarterback extremely early, almost every passing play, or knock balls down at the LOS. That's also near impossible to do.
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My feelings during the first half were......, "Well, I guess preseason is a little more important than anyone seems to think." I do think they missed Antonio, but they were very lethargic & didn't seem ready to play the game. Thank God they woke up in the second half.
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