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Old 09-05-2013   #1
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What position should we be looking for?

I understand that some wants to look for that special QB.

What else?

ILB maybe?
CB maybe?
OG? OT?

Rank the positions of need, if you will.
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OLB, until they prove otherwise.

ILB, someone besides Cushing needs to step up.

DBs, we'll see how Reed does, and Swearinger is a rookie, we need to be looking 2-3 years down the road here. CB is always something to watch.

Oline, I know we have some good young guys, but RT is still a concern.
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This, unless Jackson is re-signed

OLB is the biggest need, then the RT problem still hasn't been solved in my mind. I wish Marlon Brown had stayed in camp with the Texans. Martin needs to improve or go. Maybe Cruse will turn into the player Martin was supposed to be.
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OLB is the biggest need, then the RT problem still hasn't been solved in my mind. I wish Marlon Brown had stayed in camp with the Texans. Martin needs to improve or go. Maybe Cruse will turn into the player Martin was supposed to be.
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CB if a first round graded player is available?
OG man they just gotta bite the bullet here too much pocket insecurity & litney of injury's to both young & old. A position you justify spending this high if he grades out as a starter.
TE this is fast becoming a premier position, would like to see a Basketball skilled big tall target with good hands who can run like the wind.
NT still want athletic big (surprised they cut ties with Chris Jones after drafting him) but maybe a higher slotted player to play in a base 3-4.
ILB always tend to target LB who can fill holes here & play special teams.
KR/PR predictable slot for returner like when they choose Trindon Holliday
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What position should we be looking for?

I understand that some wants to look for that special QB.

What else?

ILB maybe?
CB maybe?
OG? OT?

Rank the positions of need, if you will.
The positions of need will depend on what players they let go after the season and probably injuries to players this season. With the signing of Cushing and the probable extension of Watt next year we can expect to lose some impact players. Possible candidates are "Ninja," J Jo, Foster or Tate, Wade Smith, etc... This will open up more holes to fill come draft time. The cap will just not let you keep all your good players anymore.

If I had to guess though I think ILB and OLB will be high on the list. They tried to address the OLB situation this past draft but it was a poor class of LBers (both ILB and OLB) and I think they will have to try again next year. The class should be better with players like Andrew Jackson and Shane Skov coming out.

So, as it is now, if I were to rank the positions of need in the draft, it would probably be:

1. OLB, Very thin unit after Reed & Mercilus. Montgomery may be bust.
2. ILB, After Cush there's nothing but JAG's.
3. WR, Still need to find AJ's replacement. Not sold on Martin, Posey, etc.
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I was thinking about this at work last night, here's my line of thinking:

1. Move Reed to ILB like we wanted to do this year. Reed's an instant upgrade at ILB next to Cushing and solidifies the middle. Then we only need some mid-late round depth in the draft.
2. Re-sign Antonio Smith to a 2 yr. extension but lower his base salary. Based on this past offseason the market for older vet. FA isn't all that great. Teams aren't lining up to throw big money at older vets. so we can probably get him back at a discount. This also lessens the need for a DT/DE high in the draft.
3. Tuggle gives us depth at ILB and Jefferson gives us depth at OLB, and with their continued development we won't need Montgomery and T. Williams who are both a disappointment.
4. We lose Wade Smith to FA and add Quessenberry at LG. Cheaper and better.
5. We cut OD and save some money, Graham is the starter, and I was impressed with Ryan Griffen in preseason.


Draft:

1. OLB, a stud here instantly gives us a starter and vastly improves our depth at the position with Jeffersons development.
2. CB, 2014 seems like a good year for CB. Some quality talent here allows for development for the future while also giving us quality depth at a position that's very hard to get depth at. Along with Bouye's development we could be the envy of the NFL.
3. Safety, we need someone to push Keo off the team and Ed Reed is probably a 1 and done player.
4. OT, someone to give serious competition at RT but can also play OG and add overall depth to the O-line. With B. Williams, a rookie, and Newton hopefully we find our future RT.
5. TE, depth and competition behind Graham and Griffen.
6. ILB, depth only since we'll have starters and Tuggle.
7. Safety, someone to add depth and play special teams.
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I was thinking about this at work last night, here's my line of thinking:

1. Move Reed to ILB like we wanted to do this year. Reed's an instant upgrade at ILB next to Cushing and solidifies the middle. Then we only need some mid-late round depth in the draft.
2. Re-sign Antonio Smith to a 2 yr. extension but lower his base salary. Based on this past offseason the market for older vet. FA isn't all that great. Teams aren't lining up to throw big money at older vets. so we can probably get him back at a discount. This also lessens the need for a DT/DE high in the draft.
3. Tuggle gives us depth at ILB and Jefferson gives us depth at OLB, and with their continued development we won't need Montgomery and T. Williams who are both a disappointment.
4. We lose Wade Smith to FA and add Quessenberry at LG. Cheaper and better.
5. We cut OD and save some money, Graham is the starter, and I was impressed with Ryan Griffen in preseason.


Draft:

1. OLB, a stud here instantly gives us a starter and vastly improves our depth at the position with Jeffersons development.
2. CB, 2014 seems like a good year for CB. Some quality talent here allows for development for the future while also giving us quality depth at a position that's very hard to get depth at. Along with Bouye's development we could be the envy of the NFL.
3. Safety, we need someone to push Keo off the team and Ed Reed is probably a 1 and done player.
4. OT, someone to give serious competition at RT but can also play OG and add overall depth to the O-line. With B. Williams, a rookie, and Newton hopefully we find our future RT.
5. TE, depth and competition behind Graham and Griffen.
6. ILB, depth only since we'll have starters and Tuggle.
7. Safety, someone to add depth and play special teams.
Good post and I generally like all of it. Couple of additional thoughts...

Any projection is subject to change. For all we know ,Wade Phillips is gone and we're switching back to a 4-3 defense.

I'm still on the lookout for a young qb if the right one is available. With all the back up qb hoopla it's a topic that's gone to sleep. We'll see.

Cb is concerning to me right now. A year from now with reed and jjo gone our secondary looks scary. Mccain has not impressed me. I want a cb with actual starter potential. And your dead on, give me enough safety depth that keo isnt here.

Imo, the difference between a great defense and a better then average defense (which I think we have now) is an OUTSIDE rush. How backwards is it that right now we have the inside pass rush other teams struggle to get, but not the outside rush? If we cant find it durring the season expect continued high picks at olb.

I've come to believe out of the defensive starters the 2nd ilb is the least coveted. Like our offense values full backs, the defense values the backer inside next to cush. It's a throw away, journey man position as long as the team has other needs. I expect a mid to late round pick here along with another vet. Job description equals stack the point of attack in the run game...everything else is icing.

Nose tackle behind Mitchell looks very iffy (yea, I saw mcclain to but i've also watched him previous seasons...)

Texans nailed the Ryan Griffin pick and OD will be gone.

We have so much young o-line talent it's hard to imagine someone wont emerge as a quality starter. I dont expect a high pick here...
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OLB is the biggest need, then the RT problem still hasn't been solved in my mind. I wish Marlon Brown had stayed in camp with the Texans. Martin needs to improve or go. Maybe Cruse will turn into the player Martin was supposed to be.
This is year three & if Posey can be our WR3 I think Martin will fill his role nicely.


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I see next years O-line lineup being:

Brown - Quessenberry - Myers - Brooks - BPA

Their will be a major battle at RT between Newton, B. Williams, and a rookie draft pick.
Backups will be Ben Jones, and the 2 losers of the starting RT battle, maybe also Harris or Gardner as well.

I think we did very well with the Ryan Griffen pick, and the David Quessenberry pick. IMO Quessenberry looks like a 2nd or 3rd round talent, and after the injury he should be a great plug and play LG.

Here's a very early mock of players to watch.
1. Adrian Hubbard-OLB
2. Marcus Roberson-CB
3. Tre Boston-S
4. JaWaun James-OT/OG
5. Arthur Lynch-TE
6. Max Bullough-ILB
7. BSA = Best Safety Available.

Depending on the money situation Chris Myers could also be released and Ben Jones would then step up and fill his shoes, not likely but possible. I think Ed Reed, OD, and Wade Smith are all gone next year and I hope that we can re-sign Antonio Smith at a discount.
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What are our highest salary players coming up? That's the position I'd draft for. Gonna have to start planning for that rainy day. Plus OL/DL. Can never have enough talent there.
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What position should we be looking for?

I understand that some wants to look for that special QB.

What else?

ILB maybe?
CB maybe?
OG? OT?

Rank the positions of need, if you will.
The only way to get continuously better is BPA
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Agreed

How I would draft would depend on what the 2015 draft class at QB looks like. If it isn't as good as 2014, then QB would be my pick.

I haven't started studying next yrs draft, but OLB seems to be strong and unless Mercilus improves I really like Van Noy. He looks like a natural pass rusher. He will probabl only run 4.7 at the combine which might make him available when the Texans pick.

What does the draft offer in the way of CB depth?
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How I would draft would depend on what the 2015 draft class at QB looks like. If it isn't as good as 2014, then QB would be my pick.

I haven't started studying next yrs draft, but OLB seems to be strong and unless Mercilus improves I really like Van Noy. He looks like a natural pass rusher. He will probabl only run 4.7 at the combine which might make him available when the Texans pick.

What does the draft offer in the way of CB depth?
From what I read, this CB class could be quite deep.

As far as the Texans' philosophy is concerned, I think it's a mix of BPA and needs according to salary cap implications.

During the off-season, they decide on some cuts and FA signings they can afford, then they fill the rest of the positions of needs with the draft based on BPA. They also draft with an eye on the future.
For example, they took Brooks Reed when Mario's contract looks to be out of whack in another year; they took Mercilus in case Barwin can't be resigned in the near future.
They cut Wilson (with a year remaining on his contract) and did not resign Pollard (who was a RFA).
They moved Quin and signed Manning to replace those guys.
They signed JJo to fill the void that the move of Quin to safety created.

It's an all-of-the above approach.
They try to fill the needs with affordable FAs.
The fewer the positions of needs entering the draft, the better they can afford to go BPA.
At least, that's the way I see it.
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