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Old 08-25-2013   #1
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Default Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

When we first signed JJo, he was a beast. Great in coverage, good tackle, good mentor. But last year he was banged up and got burned a LOT. Plus didn't seem to be able to help out our other corners improve, Jackson did, but he had no where to go but up from his previous play.

My point is, who is the real Joseph? The guy who was borderline shut down, or the guy who can't defend number 2 wide outs? The guy who is a solid tackler or the guy who is timid to hit someone? If he continues to struggle (Miami and now Saints) we could be in for a long year vs the pass again. Hopefully for our teams sake he gets his act together quickly.
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Its definitely something to watch. But he stated he was healthy now and last year could be the off/injury year still as we haven't played any meaningful snaps yet. He is a vet, and may just be jealous Reed got to chill in Vail over the weekend.
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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

Our entire secondary has been suspect in my opinion.
I've been worried about it since Ponder last year..

JJo looks iffy, Keo is a MESS, and Reed is up on cinder blocks
in the Texans driveway..

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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

From what I can see this preseason he hasn't been giving maximum effort. It bothers me some, but at the same time I'm ok with it. He just better step it up when the real bullets start flying.
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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

Let's just face it guys..

We are a pressure blitzing defense, if you don't get to the QB they are going to hit big, that's our game. Hit the qb, hit him again, and again and again.. No JJ Watt tonight, Earl went out early, and we stopped hitting Brees after the 1 quarter.

That is why we have tougher times against the great QB's they get the ball out fast, and in good positions to make it very difficult for our CBs.
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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

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Let's just face it guys..

We are a pressure blitzing defense, if you don't get to the QB they are going to hit big, that's our game. Hit the qb, hit him again, and again and again.. No JJ Watt tonight, Earl went out early, and we stopped hitting Brees after the 1 quarter.

That is why we have tougher times against the great QB's they get the ball out fast, and in good positions to make it very difficult for our CBs.
In a blitzing defense, you need corners who can cover for a few seconds.
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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

I been thinking the same WTF is wrong w him? Seems like KJ is always on top of his man and JJo and no where near he's man....

Is he being overconfident?
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Let's just face it guys..

We are a pressure blitzing defense, if you don't get to the QB they are going to hit big, that's our game. Hit the qb, hit him again, and again and again.. No JJ Watt tonight, Earl went out early, and we stopped hitting Brees after the 1 quarter.

That is why we have tougher times against the great QB's they get the ball out fast, and in good positions to make it very difficult for our CBs.
If it was just Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Manning that burn us it's one thing. Luke McCown to Kenny Stills is not as comforting.
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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

Kenny Stills and Lance Moore had their way with KJax.

The entire secondary was a disappointment.
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A rookie turned him around. Yeah I'm concerned.
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A rookie turned him around. Yeah I'm concerned.
It was ugly. I don't Joseph is Albert hayneworthing it. I do think the injuries and lack of confidence are a factor. I can only hope that a healthy d with pressure on the QB can make up for the defensive backfield.
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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

I think you guys are overreacting. If you went by the preseason, Lestar Jean would be in the pro bowl.
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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

Am I seriously the only one that sees he's giving half effort right now? It was really evident on the TD, but even on some other plays you could tell he's not going all out. If this carries on into regular season then I'll be pissed, but right now I can see he's really not going full tilt. I'm just assuming he doesn't want to hurt himself before the season starts so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

Definitely a scrub bust who should be cut immediately to "send a message". Would probably give us cap savings too.
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hopefully hes just warming up since its pre season
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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

I just don't think J. Jo. cares much about a backup QB and covering a backup WR in a preseason game. We were seeing the same lack of effort from Tate until today. Seems the preseason media either got to him or at least one of the coaches must've said something, or possibly he just values game 3 more; but, for whatever reason, Tate decided to show up today. It makes a big difference. But, technically at least, Tate is a backup....and J. Jo. still doesn't care about preseason.

I don't see any reason why J. Jo. would perform even worse (much worse, actually) right now than he did in the playoffs last year....unless he just isn't into it.

Some of these guys whose position is in no doubt are mostly just concerned about not getting hurt (right now).
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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

Ok listen up ladies....

This is pre season, soldiers who are having war games, dont kill eachother then. They wait until the real war starts
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If it was any player other than Joseph in our secondary, he would be getting obliterated on these boards right now. Preseason or not. Just saying.
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That looks like a cover two zone which jjo is supposed to be deep zone right which he is doing. Really it's the guy who is covering Larry Fitzgerald who's at fault here. I guess he didn't get the memo that it's a cover two zone.

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That looks like a cover two zone which jjo is supposed to be deep zone right which he is doing. Really it's the guy who is covering Larry Fitzgerald who's at fault here. I guess he didn't get the memo that it's a cover two zone.

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