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C.Sturgis kicks 65 yards from MIA 35 to end zone, Touchback.
Houston Texans at 0:43

1-10-HST 20 (:43) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short middle to D.Hopkins to HST 33 for 13 yards (J.Wilson). P8


1-10-HST 33 (:05) D.Karim left tackle to HST 38 for 5 yards (A.Spitler)
Dolphins attacked the wrong gaps, making it easy for the Texans O-line to block.
A better block by Hopkins would have sprung Karim for yards.
Nothing special by Karim here.
Outside zone run with LT blocking in.

Second Quarter

2-5-HST 38 (15:00) D.Karim right guard to HST 44 for 6 yards (A.Spitler). R9
Good blocking by all, again, making it easy for Karim.


1-10-HST 44 (14:21) C.Keenum pass short left to K.Martin to MIA 47 for 9 yards (D.Patterson).


2-1-MIA 47 (13:42) De.Johnson right end to MIA 49 for -2 yards (K.Randall, K.McCray).
Quiz looked really bad and Newton was also losing ground.
Absolutely nowhere for DJ to go.
This could have been a five yards loss, but DJ fought hard to lose just two.

3-3-MIA 49 (13:00) C.Keenum pass incomplete short middle to K.Martin.


4-3-MIA 49 (12:53) A.Shapiro punts 37 yards to MIA 12, Center-J.Weeks, fair catch by M.Thigpen.
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MIA 14 HST 14, 11 plays, 78 yards, 4:46 drive, 11:01 elapsed

C.Sturgis kicks 73 yards from MIA 35 to HST -8. De.Johnson, Touchback.

Houston Texans at 3:59

1-10-HST 20 (3:59) C.Keenum pass incomplete deep right.


2-10-HST 20 (3:51) D.Karim left tackle to HST 21 for 1 yard (D.Shelby).
Brooks missed the cut block and dove forward into the heel of the C White.
This caught him totally off-balance and got pushed back by the DT.
The other DT (whom Brooks was supposed to block) squeezed the gap, limiting the room Karim had to run through.

3-9-HST 21 (3:09) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass deep middle to A.Lemon to HST 41 for 20 yards (W.Davis). P12


1-10-HST 41 (2:37) (Shotgun) PENALTY on HST-A.Gardner, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at HST 41 - No Play.


1-15-HST 36 (2:21) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete short right to A.Lemon (D.Shelby).


2-15-HST 36 (2:18) (Shotgun) De.Johnson up the middle to HST 39 for 3 yards (D.Shelby).
Jones was so-so on his block (no push) while Brooks was too wide in his stance on the seal block.
This closed up the gap for the lead blocker to get through.
Graham, who lined up as the H-back, had to slow down to avoid stepping on Brook's leg.
By this time, the DT was able to disengage from Jones' block to tackle DJ.
DJ worked hard to gain an extra yard, yard and a half.

Two-Minute Warning

3-12-HST 39 (2:00) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short left to K.Martin to HST 43 for 4 yards (J.Taylor).


Timeout #1 by MIA at 01:49.


4-8-HST 43 (1:49) A.Shapiro punts 48 yards to MIA 9, Center-J.Weeks, fair catch by C.Bumphis.
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Houston Texans at 0:48

1-10-HST 49 (:48) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short left to G.Graham to MIA 44 for 7 yards (J.Kaddu).


2-3-MIA 44 (:30) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short right to De.Johnson to MIA 39 for 5 yards (N.Carroll, T.Robertson). P13
With pressure right in his face, Keenum quickly dumped off a pass to DJ, who dragged the tackler for another 4 yards.


Timeout #2 by HST at 00:22.
1-10-MIA 39 (:22) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short right to A.Lemon pushed ob at MIA 28 for 11 yards (N.Carroll). P14


1-10-MIA 28 (:17) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete deep right to A.Lemon.


2-10-MIA 28 (:12) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete deep right to A.Lemon.


3-10-MIA 28 (:06) R.Bullock 46 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Weeks, Holder-S.Lechler

MIA 14 HST 17, 6 plays, 23 yards, 0:47 drive, 14:59 elapsed
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Third Quarter


Houston Texans at 13:33

1-10-HST 20 (13:33) D.Karim up the middle to HST 21 for 1 yard (T.Okpalaugo).
RG White and RT Harris got no push on the double-team (that's bad).
Still, Karim needed to pick a hole and just plow through it instead of running into White's back.
He could have pick up a yard or two more.

2-9-HST 21 (12:57) C.Keenum pass short left to T.Clutts to HST 37 for 16 yards (W.Davis). P15


1-10-HST 37 (12:19) D.Karim left guard to HST 34 for -3 yards (A.Francis).
Not sure where Karim's aiming point is supposed to be on this play.
It was in 12 personnel and there were two double-teams on the back side.
One would think the runner would need to get ready for the cut back immediately,
especially since Jones was blocking his man to the front side.
Looks like Karim may have widen himself to much at the outset,
he wasn't able to cut back properly.
Perhaps Jones needed to be better at his block, too (???)
Even with the poor double-team by the two TEs on the back side,
there was a lot of room here.

2-13-HST 34 (11:39) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete short right to L.Jean (T.Robertson).


3-13-HST 34 (11:33) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass deep right to G.Graham to MIA 48 for 18 yards (J.Kovacs, J.Kaddu).


PENALTY on HST-G.Graham, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at HST 34 - No Play.

3-23-HST 24 (11:04) (Shotgun) D.Karim up the middle to HST 33 for 9 yards (T.Robertson).
It was 3rd and 23 so the Dolphins dropped back into coverage, giving the Texans and Karim plenty of room to run through.
They didn't mind a 9-yd run.
Nothing special by Karim here.

4-14-HST 33 (10:31) A.Shapiro punts 42 yards to MIA 25, Center-J.Weeks. C.Bumphis to MIA 29 for 4 yards (E.Mack).
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Houston Texans at 8:56

1-10-HST 20 (8:56) D.Karim right tackle to HST 33 for 13 yards (J.Posey; L.Robinson). R16
Excellent job by the Texans around the POA on this wide zone run to the right.
Graham with a great seal block on the edge.
Nice job by Harris pulling to the outside to decimate one of the OLB.
Good jobs most everywhere by the blockers.
Too easy for the runner.

1-10-HST 33 (8:20) D.Karim left end to MIA 48 for 19 yards (R.Stanford). R17
Nice jump by Graham at the beginning, giving the LT Gardner and the RG Quiz
plenty of room to pull to the outside to block at the second level.
Good blocks downfield by Jean, and especially KMart.
Not a knock on Karim, but I think Foster would likely score a TD here.

1-10-MIA 48 (7:40) D.Karim up the middle to MIA 44 for 4 yards (T.Okpalaugo).
Good blocking by the Texans everywhere, but too much dancing by Karim here.
Had he hit the hole immediately, he would have gained at least 3 or 4 more yards.

2-6-MIA 44 (7:00) T.Yates pass short middle to K.Martin to MIA 33 for 11 yards (D.Jones). P18


1-10-MIA 33 (6:26) T.Yates pass short left to G.Graham for 33 yards, TOUCHDOWN. P19


R.Bullock extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Weeks, Holder-S.Lechler
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Did I get any of those plays wrong?

Discuss.
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Gonna keep banging this drum, Ray graham is the best back out of the bunch and he isn't getting the looks he deserves. Karim is a one trick pony, run fast. Dennis Johnson lacks vision IMO, Wood is good. Tate is crap. Thats my IN DEPTH discussion.


How's he doing at practice? RB for us is much much more than running the ball. Can't block, won't play. I'm sure the font play him and stash him on PS argument card will be played but humor me.
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All we know is that in the last conference call, Kubiak said that nobody has separated himself.

(on evaluating the rookie free agent running backs) “Well, I don’t think anybody has separated themselves. I think I said last night, there’s something about (RB) Deji (Karim) that’s very trusting. He’s played a little bit of football in the NFL. He does everything right. He’s helping (special teams coordinator) Joe (Marciano) on special teams. I think, if anything, he’s probably a little ahead of the other guys, probably just from experience. (RB Dennis) Johnson has shown some signs, has practiced extremely well. It hasn’t transferred to the field the way I’d like it to, but there has been some good things. He’s excellent in his pass protection. Last night, not much happened in the run game and then he turns the ball over, which obviously you can’t do. We’re going to continue to give him opportunities because it’s been an excellent camp. (RB Cierre) Wood’s got a lot of talent. He’s inconsistent in what he’s doing. He’s got to play better for Joe on special teams. Those guys have got to sort it out for us and they’re going to get a great deal of time here over the next two weeks.”

Basically, he saw it just like I do.
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Karim is probably best in pass pro and as a vet he has experience. He's probably the most dependable of the bunch and was a viable fantasy football commodity just a year back with mjd's issues.

Johnson is the speedster of the bunch with reliable hands and more value then anyone else as a return man.

I think c wood has the highest ceiling of the bunch and have been most impressed with him.

Dont know anything about the 4th guy but this will be one of the toughest roster cuts on the team. Texans did a great job in the udfa market here.
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Karim is probably best in pass pro and as a vet he has experience. He's probably the most dependable of the bunch and was a viable fantasy football commodity just a year back with mjd's issues.

We all know how much Gary values the ability to pass protect from the RB spot .... a big part of why Foster didnt get an opportunity before injuries forced it.

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Ive seen a couple instances where DJ put the ball on the turf in practice .... Im not sold on him having the best / most reliable hands of the bunch.

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I think c wood has the highest ceiling of the bunch and have been most impressed with him.

Wood reminds me an awful lot of Foster in this scheme .... I agree he has the highest upside of the group. He only got 5 carries Vs the Fish .... It'll be interesting to see how much run he gets in the next two dress rehersals - I have a feeling he doesn't get many touches and they try to hide him on the PS for a year. He looked really good against the Vikes very solid front seven.


I prefer Wood myself because of the upside but I think it comes down to pass protect ability and Karim wins the initial roster spot out of camp.

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I don't think Dennis Johnson has looked that speedy on the field. I also don't think he has gotten many rushing yards.

I also don't think Ben Tate has looked that good in preseason.

I would rather see Wood and Karim as the ones that make the team

I wouldn't complain if they moved Tate for a pick now and kept both Karim & Wood.

Then again , Tates value isn't at its peak ....
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I guess the question is which two do we keep. Yeah, I see one as part of the 53 and one on the P/S.

Even with his disappointing game time performance - when running - D.J. seems to be better at recognizing and picking up blitzes in pass protect. C. Wood seems to have the better vision and one-cut ability. Although Karim isn't but a hair behind him. And, as A80 said, Graham hasn't had sufficient game time carries to make a fair assessment; he must not be doing enough in practice to earn said game time carries. Need help from those who are at practice for some insight.

So which two??
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Wood has impressed me a lot more than any of the other backs we have seen so far in the preseason.
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As bad as the Steelers are banged up at RB, I could see our guys not clearing waivers for PS.
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We'll see. If Tate has a season like 2012... we'll see

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meh....Tate is on my **** list and is staying there until he can show me something.
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meh....Tate is on my **** list and is staying there until he can show me something.
See, I just couldn't disagree more with this line of thinking. Two years ago, Tate carried the ball 175 times, and averaged 5.4 ypc in the process. I don't see any reason for anyone to be convinced that things have changed, and now he sucks. I know he only carried the ball 65 times last season, and while there have been some injury concerns in the past, he appears to be healthy at this moment, and he's in a contract season. As far as how he's looked this preseason, he's only got four carries and four receptions, so even if you did choose to put limited preseason touches ahead of past actual game performance, it's not like you've got much of a body of work to form any sort of opinion on. And yeah, I know he had the completely blown pass protection issue, but I also think there's a tendency to form (or change) opinions based on one horrible thing, when the bulk of the evidence doesn't support that. I don't recall any major pass protection issues on his part when he played significant minutes in 2011, and when I did a little research to try to see how he fared when playing more while Arian was limited with "Anti-awesomeness", I found this:

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Again, I'm not going to let one play - no matter how visible and awful it was - form my opinion when there's evidence to the contrary.

Now I'm not one of those guys who says even if Arian misses some time, he's a system back, and we won't miss him (I know there's not many of those guys, but there's a few). Arian's a better back than Ben Tate is, and that helps us win games. However I am one of those guys that says if Arian does end up missing some time, or if he just needs to be spelled now and again, that there's nobody who's on our roster, who's currently available, or who's going to become available who's going to do that as well as Ben Tate will.
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It's my fault that my posts are misconstrued often.
On the other hand, I can't keep reminding people not to fantasize and to make things up.

Is there anywhere that I said anything bad about Tate?
Or about not wanting him on the roster?

The fact remains that the Texans just need Foster to stay healthy and some guy(s) to give him a breather now and then.

Obviously, you would want each position to be as stacked as possible in case of an injury. A healthy Tate is definitely better than any of the other guys; that's a given.
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Tate showing flashes of his one good season. I'm glad to see it, I really am. Still though, he was nothing for two of his three seasons. If he comes back this year, that means he's still only batting 500.

Yes, a healthy Tate is better than all the rest trying to make the team, but the question is will he stay healthy. I'll not be happy with Tate until he shows up for most of the season and replicates his one good year.
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It's my fault that my posts are misconstrued often.
On the other hand, I can't keep reminding people not to fantasize and to make things up.

Is there anywhere that I said anything bad about Tate?
Or about not wanting him on the roster?

The fact remains that the Texans just need Foster to stay healthy and some guy(s) to give him a breather now and then.

Obviously, you would want each position to be as stacked as possible in case of an injury. A healthy Tate is definitely better than any of the other guys; that's a given.
Tate is another Sharpton situation, love to have him healthy a season especially in a possible SB season but....you just do not know what you are getting. I agree 76 that Foster is the man and we basically need a relief for him. I see Karim as a replacement for Forsett and much faster. If we can get a decent pick I'd do it and go with Wood. If we cannot, Tate remains and we pray for his health as we do for rain, daily.

The WR corps disturbs me a bit also with Hopson still in day 1 of protocols. As of today, we seem to offer MS same weapons as last season. Posey is a slight plus until we know what we have and Jean looked good today. He could give Matt a bit of reassurance if he can win his QB's trust and allow Hopson and Posey time to get healthier. I wished our LBs were this deep.
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