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Old 08-11-2013   #1
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Default The OLBs

Its still early, but our OLBs seem to be our glaring weakness on D moving forward.

With Cush back, the signing of Mays, Sharpton healthy, Joseph 100%, Ed Reed, Swearinger, flashes of upgrade from Mitchell... We have the makings of a nasty D health considered. But we really need an outside pass rush to become truly dominant imo. Who is going to step it up at OLB this year?

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Reed - I have little faith in him as more than a high motor back up special teams player at the moment. Looked average again on Friday.

Mercilus - The dude had some sacks in his rookie campaign. But they seemed to all be effort sacks much in the mold of Reed.

T Williams - I really liked this pick but I cant find a single positive review thus far.

Montgomery - Some loved this pick, but I didnt get it. Hoping I was wrong. Dude needs to get over the injury/conditioning cloud that seems to be hovering over him early on. This guy my have the most upside.

Braman - Love the guy, but if he doesnt surface soon not sure if he ever will.

Jefferson - Another Brayman in the making? Chicken legs concern me, but love his explosiveness.

I think we are all going to be keeping a close eye on this crew. Right now, I see a whole lot of average at best. The most important thing to me is for Whitney to prove himself a first round pick. I need at least flashes, like yesterday.
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Sidenote: Texans have invested a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a 4th into this unit over the past 3 drafts.
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I'm with ya, Tailgate. I'm just as worried about run defense as I am pass rush, though.
It's gonna be Reed and Merci starting but I'm thinking we'll be seeing more of Jefferson as the season goes on and he gets his bulk and strength up.

Braman hasn't had a great camp, from what I understand. Just a career ST star, from what I can tell. He doesn't appear to have a very high football IQ.

I really liked the Montgomery pick. I'm really hoping the leaders on the D and the coaching staff can give him an attitudinal adjustment and keep him from going all Travis Johnson on us. Has some very good upside, but is off to a disasterous start.

T. Williams should be good depth in the future. He'll probably contribute before Montgomery and I've heard/read decent reports on him in TC.
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i really liked what i saw from braman. he did a good job of using leverage and didnt allow the linemen to get their hands on him, using his very long arms to make separation. he definitely seems to be paying attention in class. i dont know that he'll develop into anything more, but i would certainly keep him around as a backup and special teamer - that's a guy you want on your team.

everyone else? well i hope watt and ninja have big years getting to the passer, because our linebackers outside of cushing are pretty bad.
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i really liked what i saw from braman. he did a good job of using leverage and didnt allow the linemen to get their hands on him, using his very long arms to make separation. he definitely seems to be paying attention in class. i dont know that he'll develop into anything more, but i would certainly keep him around as a backup and special teamer - that's a guy you want on your team.

everyone else? well i hope watt and ninja have big years getting to the passer, because our linebackers outside of cushing are pretty bad.
I think Joe Mays will be a good player for us. I'm not as worried about the ILB's as I am the OLB's.
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I think Joe Mays will be a good player for us. I'm not as worried about the ILB's as I am the OLB's.
Yeah, that's kinda freaking me out.

Before TC, I was really, really worried about the ILBs. Now? That's not worrying me as much.

I'm not too worried about Brooks Reed. But I need Mercilus to make a big leap from year 1 to year 2 and I need some of these rookies to step up, otherwise we're looking at picking up a street FA to stick into the rotation. I'm not expecting Braman to be anything other that ST and maybe situational pass rush.

Jefferson and Trevardo Williams ended up in coverage a lot more than I expected.



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i really liked what i saw from braman. he did a good job of using leverage and didnt allow the linemen to get their hands on him, using his very long arms to make separation. he definitely seems to be paying attention in class. i dont know that he'll develop into anything more, but i would certainly keep him around as a backup and special teamer - that's a guy you want on your team.

everyone else? well i hope watt and ninja have big years getting to the passer, because our linebackers outside of cushing are pretty bad.
I think some people are too negative on Mercilus. He didn`t get that much playing time last season, still got lots of sacks (for a rookie) and a couple of forced fumbles. Reed is more of a LB to stop the run and being relentless, but that`s ok for one side of the field. He can and he will get some sacks, just not double digit sacks.

Yeah, OLB is a question mark, but we need to give those young guys some time... With some more help from the inside they should take the next step.
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It's too early to tell, but I'm starting to get a little worried about these guys. The lack of a pass rush from these guys is what will sink this team! JJ (S)Watt can't do it all by himself........again!
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I've heard nothing but negative reports on Williams. I want to see more of Braman with the 1st unit. Some guys are just not really good practice players, but find an extra gear when the lights come on. I thought Reed looked quick the other night, and I think Merci will be ok. Between Sam, Willie, and Braman we'll be fine. Williams looks like he might be the odd man out right now. Wouldn't be surprised if we picked someone up who gets waived after TC as well.
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This position is a reason I think Texan fans need to tone down their expectations for this team this season.
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Nope! I don't think we'll see Trevardo and Montgomery contributing much on anything but STs this season. So that leaves us with:

Jefferson
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Reed
Braman

Unspectacular if you ask me. Plus, other than Reed, weaker against the run.
I was telling my wife how impressed I was at Tuggle's ability to set the edge... I thought he did a good job. I was also impressed with how deep he got on some of his drops... a lot of those timed I wondered why he got so deep, but that's another story.

I think Tuggle will be fine against the run. It's possible he can help our pass defense. The only thing I don't like about him is I see no value as a pass rusher.

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Saints just cut Chase Thomas. Anyone know anything about him? His pre draft info looked pretty damn good actually:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...5/chase-thomas

WOW! BRB wanted us to draft him in the 2nd round:

http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/1/...t-chase-thomas
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#Texans OLB snaps vs. Dolphins. Jefferson (31) Tuggle (24) Braman (22) Reed (19) Montgomery (18) T. Williams (16)
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Saints just cut Chase Thomas. Anyone know anything about him? His pre draft info looked pretty damn good actually:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...5/chase-thomas

WOW! BRB wanted us to draft him in the 2nd round:

http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/1/...t-chase-thomas
Thomas was a nice college football who maxed out his ability with smart and effort. The NFL game is just a little too fast for him; that was my opinion of him during draft time. If he can somehow works to get better in his flexibility and quickness/speed, he could get another shot somewhere.
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Thomas was a nice college football who maxed out his ability with smart and effort. The NFL game is just a little too fast for him; that was my opinion of him during draft time. If he can somehow works to get better in his flexibility and quickness/speed, he could get another shot somewhere.
Cant be any worse than what we have.
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Outside linebacker Whitney Mercilus has missed the first two preseason games with a hamstring injury. The coaches were hoping to get him back for Monday’s light practice, but it won’t happen, according to coach Gary Kubiak.

Mercilus, last year’s first-round pick who registered six sacks as a rookie, was promoted to the starting lineup in place of Connor Barwin. With Mercilus on the sideline, Justin Tuggle, an undrafted rookie, has started the first two games.

Willie Jefferson, another undrafted rookie, comes off the bench on the weak side. Jefferson recorded his first sack against the Dolphins. He had two tackles for a loss.

Rookie Trevardo Williams played in the second half and produced two sacks. He missed time after a cyst was removed from his foot.

Veteran Bryan Braman had a sack against the Dolphins, giving him 1 1/2. The Texans have 10 sacks in two games.

The performances of Braman, Williams, Jefferson and Tuggle gives the coaches confidence in the backup outside positions.


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If Tuggle, Jefferson and Braman make the roster ill feel good about our LB corps. If we go into the season with merci, brooks, trevardo and mont as rotation guys I'm going to probably need some hard liquor for Sundays this fall.
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Saints just cut Chase Thomas. Anyone know anything about him? His pre draft info looked pretty damn good actually:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...5/chase-thomas

WOW! BRB wanted us to draft him in the 2nd round:

http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/1/...t-chase-thomas
If I were the Texans I'd take a long look at him, but I might move him to ILB where his lack of quickness wouldn't be such a negative factor for him. If his pass coverage of TE's, RB's, and zone coverage can improve then he'd be worth a minimum investment and possibly a year on the mystery IR bench or PS for development.

Overall, yes OLB worries me.
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