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Old 07-15-2013   #1
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Our Texans have some issues going into training camp next week. Inside LB, right side of OL, QB, Nose Tackle, WR depth, Safety... we have more questions than answers at this point.

Our biggest concern however may be an area that isn't really being discussed.... Place Kicker. Randy Bullock is the lone PK on the roster and given his limited reps last preseason he is a huge question mark. He was somewhat shaky on field goals and showed a weak leg on kickoffs. Obviously this is an extremely important position that often wins or loses games for a team, especially one involved in a lot of close games like the Texans given their ultra-conservative play with a lead.

With zero competition on the roster it seems like the organization is content to just whistle past the graveyard on this one and hope for the best which seems like a huge risk. What say you???
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Our Texans have some issues going into training camp next week. Inside LB, right side of OL, QB, Nose Tackle, WR depth, Safety... we have more questions than answers at this point.

Our biggest concern however may be an area that isn't really being discussed.... Place Kicker. Randy Bullock is the lone PK on the roster and given his limited reps last preseason he is a huge question mark. He was somewhat shaky on field goals and showed a weak leg on kickoffs. Obviously this is an extremely important position that often wins or loses games for a team, especially one involved in a lot of close games like the Texans given their ultra-conservative play with a lead.

With zero competition on the roster it seems like the organization is content to just whistle past the graveyard on this one and hope for the best which seems like a huge risk. What say you???
Agree, and very concerned. Hoping for the best. We'll see.
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KO's I believe will be Shane's thing. I'm not overly concerned about the K position.
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KO's I believe will be Shane's thing. I'm not overly concerned about the K position.
Maybe you missed it, but Shayne signed with the Browns 3 months ago...
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Maybe you missed it, but he was referring to Shane Lechler, whom the Texans signed this offseason
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Maybe you missed it, but he was referring to Shane Lechler, whom the Texans signed this offseason
Maybe you missed it but Lechler is a Punter... not a Kicker.

Bullock couldn't even get the ball into the end zone last preseason in an era where touchbacks occur about 50% of the time. Time for Coach Joe to earn his money...
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Maybe you missed it but Lechler is a Punter... not a Kicker.

Bullock couldn't even get the ball into the end zone last preseason in an era where touchbacks occur about 50% of the time. Time for Coach Joe to earn his money...
Maybe you missed it but...Bullock was injured. He tried to play through the pain and it affected his performance. Is it a question mark for the team? Sure but not a big one until we see him in the preseason.
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Maybe you missed it but Lechler is a Punter... not a Kicker.

Bullock couldn't even get the ball into the end zone last preseason in an era where touchbacks occur about 50% of the time. Time for Coach Joe to earn his money...
Maybe you missed it but not only Shane do kickoff's at A&M but he's also done them throughout his NFL career. That's what leads me to believe he is capable of it.
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Maybe you missed it but Lechler is a Punter... not a Kicker.

Bullock couldn't even get the ball into the end zone last preseason in an era where touchbacks occur about 50% of the time. Time for Coach Joe to earn his money...
I'm pretty sure the punter kicks the football which makes him a kicker.
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KO's I believe will be Shane's thing. I'm not overly concerned about the K position.
What leads you to assume this? Has Shane Lechler ever been used for kickoffs in his career???
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What leads you to assume this? Has Shane Lechler ever been used for kickoffs in his career???
The placekicker is usually the kickoff man, but punters are used often enough that it's not that unusual. And Lechler has had one of the strongest legs in the league for years. I would guess that he can boot it pretty far, just without a lot of accuracy, hence why he is a punter.
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The placekicker is usually the kickoff man, but punters are used often enough that it's not that unusual. And Lechler has had one of the strongest legs in the league for years. I would guess that he can boot it pretty far, just without a lot of accuracy, hence why he is a punter.
Punters are seldom used for kickoffs in the NFL and it's highly unlikely that Lechler will be used here. Completely different muscle memory.

With that said, Kubiak values players with multiple skill sets so it's also unlikely that a specialist will be brought in. Hopefully Bullock can be coached up and start booting the ball out of the end zone.
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Guess we'll wait and see for preseason whether it will be Bullock or Lechler. Saying he's a punter doesn't really matter. Texans used Hartmann in 2011 for kickoffs a majority of the time. Not to mention 4 of the top ten kickoff personnel in touchbacks were actually punters

Michael Koenen (TB) - 4th avg distance 2nd Touchbacks
Matt Bosher (Atl) - 8th avg distance 6th(tie) Touchbacks
Thomas Morstead (NO) - 14th avg distance 6th(tie) Touchbacks
Pat McAfee (Indy) - 3rd avg. distance 6th(tie) Touchbacks

I'm more concerned with the coverage since returners are taking them out of the endzone lately. We seemed to be running in mud when it came to coverage except a couple of individuals. Kickers are always available if needed for bargain dollars and can leap in at any moment so time remains on a decision in this direction if they see fit.
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Considering his injury, I'd contribute his poor performance to that.

Here is his percentage of touchback's at Texas A&M with him kicking five yards further than what occurs in the NFL.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/player/...off/split.html

And here is the percentage for touchback's in the NFL. Take note of the before and after rule change.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...ate=2011-02-07

You guys are number crunchers, tell me I'm not old and blind. I'll just whistle right on out of this thread
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Our Texans have some issues going into training camp next week. Inside LB, right side of OL, QB, Nose Tackle, WR depth, Safety... we have more questions than answers at this point.
I think you can scratch Nose Tackle off your list. We don't like the guys they've got there, but I believe it's getting more & more obvious that the Texans are looking for something different from what we are looking for. They appear to have put the same "type" of person/player in that position for years, it's deliberate.

LB, I think the team has done a good job in trying to answer that question. Time will tell. Cushing Sharpton, Reed, & Mercilus.... done. Sharpton & Cushing had some health issues last season, let's hope they are past them now. Dobbins, moving Reed inside, Braman, Sonic, & Travardo.. plan B, C, & D

Safety, again I think they've made a good attempt so far, Pleasant will probably make the team & I'm expecting to see Harris take a few snaps at Safety in the PreSeason.... a back up to the back up so to speak.
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Our Texans have some issues going into training camp next week. Inside LB, right side of OL, QB, Nose Tackle, WR depth, Safety... we have more questions than answers at this point.

Our biggest concern however may be an area that isn't really being discussed.... Place Kicker. Randy Bullock is the lone PK on the roster and given his limited reps last preseason he is a huge question mark. He was somewhat shaky on field goals and showed a weak leg on kickoffs. Obviously this is an extremely important position that often wins or loses games for a team, especially one involved in a lot of close games like the Texans given their ultra-conservative play with a lead.

With zero competition on the roster it seems like the organization is content to just whistle past the graveyard on this one and hope for the best which seems like a huge risk. What say you???
It's pretty easy to tell whether or not a kicker has range and accuracy in the preseason. If he does, we are good. If not, there are others around.

This team's problem isn't place kicker. We need a WR to step up among other things.
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It's pretty easy to tell whether or not a kicker has range and accuracy in the preseason. If he does, we are good. If not, there are others around.

This team's problem isn't place kicker. We need a WR to step up among other things.
Well thought out post from a Texans fan.....

in rebuttal, I know we like to think we're part of the decision making process & need to see what we need to see. But if the coaches don't know by now what kind of range Bullock has (through OTAs, through mini-camp) then they won't learn anything in the preseason.
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It's pretty easy to tell whether or not a kicker has range and accuracy in the preseason. If he does, we are good. If not, there are others around.

This team's problem isn't place kicker. We need a WR to step up among other things.
So...the Colts maybe/may not be good with their kicker?

So...the Colts need a WR to step up?

What are the "among other things" that your team is lacking?
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Our Texans have some issues going into training camp next week. Inside LB, right side of OL, QB, Nose Tackle, WR depth, Safety... we have more questions than answers at this point.

Our biggest concern however may be an area that isn't really being discussed.... Place Kicker. Randy Bullock is the lone PK on the roster and given his limited reps last preseason he is a huge question mark. He was somewhat shaky on field goals and showed a weak leg on kickoffs. Obviously this is an extremely important position that often wins or loses games for a team, especially one involved in a lot of close games like the Texans given their ultra-conservative play with a lead.

With zero competition on the roster it seems like the organization is content to just whistle past the graveyard on this one and hope for the best which seems like a huge risk. What say you???
I think the team upgraded everywhere. No team is without concerns, nor will any ever be....it is designed to be this way.....that is what parity means. I think we have a good med staff and good conditioning staff, and good nutrition people. Today I watched all these teams suffering injuries and I'm glad we've got the people we have in place to help with that and I'm glad our players have paid appropriate attention to their health coming into camp. I pray that their work provides a healthy preseason and full season/playoffs. I think the vision of the Texans organization to try to have good people in positions all over the team instead of one or two stars we totally rely on is going to help with that. I wouldn't want to be the New England patriots right now and have to pray that nothing happens to Tom Brady.
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The only issue that concerns me will be their ability to cut him loose if he struggles. Outside of that, i assume our offense will be alittle more agressive and not settling for 3 as much.
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