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Old 07-14-2013   #1
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Default Brandon Harris: lost cause?

I was wondering what people's opinions were on Harris. I was excited when we nabbed him in the second round a couple years back, but its been 3 years and I cringe when we put him in.

Opinions on his play, and his 2013 role? If he doesn't produce at a high level this year--is it time to cut ties?
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Default Re: Brandon Harris: lost cause?

After quarterback, I think that corners generally take the most time to develop. As long as he makes improvement year over year -- no matter how slowly -- he's worth keeping on the roster. Whether he produces at a "high level" or not, he'll have a role to fill.
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Came out early. Has only played in 2 seasons thus far. Patience.
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Default Re: Brandon Harris: lost cause?

I saw potential in his play. He had lapses but that was to be expected. He hadn't played against opposition all year until week 13 against the Titans so to expecting him to walk out there and shine at one of the most difficult defensive positions is bit much. As the season progressed he seemed to finally settle down and improved.

His best showings were against Luck and the Colts so that was a positive. He also played better in his second round against the Patriots....not that it mattered much in the end, heh.
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Default Re: Brandon Harris: lost cause?

I liked the Brandon Harris pick. He's an aggressive player and get his share of flags, but I think that will ease with experience. I think this could be a break out year for him. If it is, I wouldn't mind him taking over the nickel. Or man on the slot receiver or something. I heard Swearinger is coming around fast. And that can definitely help out our DB's if we can play man most of the time and give the defense line more time to pressure the QB or TFL's.
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Default Re: Brandon Harris: lost cause?

I love Brandon Harris.

Not like, Love.

He's scrappy, he's good in coverage, gets to the ball, & he ain't scurred if yo name be Reggie Wayne.

He got a couple of penalties for being aggressive & not allowing the receiver to push him around. I like it. I'd much rather my guy take that call, than to let it go (the refs weren't going to call the foul on Reggie Wayne) & give up a TD.

I do like McCain, totally different skill set though. We've also McCain play at a high level (2009) a low level (2010), sorta hig (2011), slipp'n again (2012)..... it's going to be interesting to see what the coaches do with those two.
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Default Re: Brandon Harris: lost cause?

He only really started getting PT this past year right? If that's the case then what we saw last was to be expected..I think this is the year we find out about him. If he's still then yeah, time to cut bait.
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Default Re: Brandon Harris: lost cause?

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He only really started getting PT this past year right? If that's the case then what we saw last was to be expected..I think this is the year we find out about him. If he's still then yeah, time to cut bait.
If Kj continues to play like he's playing & Jjo returns to form, the only chance he's got is Nickel Corner. & if McCain plays like he has in the past (in the good years)... he may not get much of a chance to show us anything. The coaches may get to see it in practice, but we won't see that.

Doesn't necessarily mean what we think it means if he's not playing much. We just paid McCain a little bit. Harris is probably still cheap depth.
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& if McCain plays like he has in the past (in the good years)... he may not get much of a chance to show us anything.
That's true, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him playing against certain guys due to match-ups if he's showing his ability in practice. He seems more physical than McCain, so if you have a more physical player running out of the slot Harris might match up better, whereas McCain might match up better against more shifty players.

Or Harris could just simply outplay McCain in the pre-season and camp.
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Or Harris could just simply outplay McCain in the pre-season and camp.
He reminds me a lot of Glover Quin.
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Default Re: Brandon Harris: lost cause?

If Harris, Charmichael and McCain can grow together and we can get Kareem back at a decent number, the possibilities are limitless for this secondary. Plug in another young safety and we've got Young Guns II (old Oilers reference).
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That's true, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him playing against certain guys due to match-ups if he's showing his ability in practice. He seems more physical than McCain, so if you have a more physical player running out of the slot Harris might match up better, whereas McCain might match up better against more shifty players.

Or Harris could just simply outplay McCain in the pre-season and camp.
Pretty much...Mccain's coming off injury as well so its a very real possibilty Harris could give him a run for some PT.....if he has indeed improved.
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Default Re: Brandon Harris: lost cause?

Harris is progressing similar to KJ. Hopefully, Harris will have a good third season as did KJ last year. Problem with that is KJ was on field a lot, Harris is not.
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Default Re: Brandon Harris: lost cause?

From today's Z Report:

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CB Brandon Harris is frustrating to watch. He doesn't have the quickness to sit down on routes and still explode after WRs who are making cuts and that is a big problem. The good news is that he's got pretty good ball skills and when he's in position to make a play, he's pretty good at making that play.
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CB Brandon Harris is frustrating to watch. He doesn't have the quickness to sit down on routes and still explode after WRs who are making cuts and that is a big problem.
That must be why Rick Smith & Wade Phillips traded up to get him.
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That must be why Rick Smith & Wade Phillips traded up to get him.
Well, it sure couldn't be because they planned on playing him, because they haven't. Even the best GMs and coaches miss on players. The best ones don't exacerbate the mistake by forcing the issue. If the guy can't play, try to coach him up and see what you can do. If nothing, cut him loose. Harris is closer to being cut loose than he is to starting.
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Default Re: Brandon Harris: lost cause?

Harris will be fine. None of us knows why is hasn't played a lot, but the answer could simply be a numbers thing. Kubes isn't known for putting the best player on the field. He's better known for putting the best reputation on the field. See also Cody and Mitchell. Or Foster waiting behind who he waited behind.
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Harris will be fine. None of us knows why is hasn't played a lot, but the answer could simply be a numbers thing. Kubes isn't known for putting the best player on the field. He's better known for putting the best reputation on the field. See also Cody and Mitchell. Or Foster waiting behind who he waited behind.
I totally and completely disagree with that.

Foster has said himself that he wasn't ready to play. And when he started to show some life and got put in, he promptly fumbled and had to work his way back in.

If Kubiak played people because of their reputation, then Keenan McCardell and Roosevelt Colvin would have been on the field instead of cut during TC.

The thing about Kubiak is that he doesn't trust rookies and he prefers to ease them in. BUT... I don't think he has a ton of input on which DBs play and which ones don't. I think Brandon Harris was drafted in an attempt to patch up the Kareem Jackson problem. But KJ stepped up and started playing better. That would have allowed Harris to play the slot where he should be a better fit except that McCain outplayed him.

The reason Harris isn't on the field is because he's not one of the best CBs we have. Even Alan Ball was better than Harris is.
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None of us knows why is hasn't played a lot ...
Speak for yourself. The rest of us know damn good and well why he hasn't played a lot. He's not been good. When you can't find any playing time as a 2nd round draft pick in a secondary that has shown a need for guys behind JJo and KJ (and even in place of KJ earlier), it's pretty obvious why you aren't playing.
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Well, it sure couldn't be because they planned on playing him, because they haven't. Even the best GMs and coaches miss on players. The best ones don't exacerbate the mistake by forcing the issue. If the guy can't play, try to coach him up and see what you can do. If nothing, cut him loose. Harris is closer to being cut loose than he is to starting.
Miss because the player doesn't have the work ethic, the mental capacity, the minimum amount of maturity required.... yes. Players with "major" flaws in talent & ability (for their position) don't usually get drafted in the second round (unless it's Tim Tebow).

You'll draft an Amobi Okoye because he's got the size, strength, speed, burst, explosion that has been successful in the NFL. Maybe he'll need to add a little weight. Maybe he plays a little high. Heck, I'd draft a corner lacking world class speed because I can compensate with scheme.

But if a corner can't break & run, but you drafted him in the second, he'd have been moved to safety immediately.
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