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Old 06-05-2013   #1
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Ed Reed (hip surgery) admits he might not be ready for Week 1.
Reed's injury hoodwink keeps getting worse for the Texans. "I plan on being back for Week 1," Reed said Wednesday. "But as youíve known me for the longest time, Iím going to be smart about my injuries and make sure Iím there for the later part of the season when the team really needs me." Reed has gone from being ready for the start of camp, to potentially returning "midway through it" to not a guarantee for Week 1. Reed could still easily end up being ready for Week 1, but it's safe to say he would have never gotten his three-year, $15 million deal had the Texans known the true extent of his injury.
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Hence why the Ravens let him go, and if you look at his incentive laid contract, i think our Front Office knew how bad it was.

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Default Re: Ed Reed may miss games now

'eh, one big game changing play in the playoffs will make all if it worthwhile.

Hopefully some of his attitude and perspectives rub off on our secondary in the meantime.
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Can you say "Tony Boselli?"...
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Can you say "Tony Boselli?"...
No.

I mean, I can. I just won't. Ever.
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At his age, all we need him for is the strectch run and playoffs.
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No.

I mean, I can. I just won't. Ever.
OK...how about Dominick Davis/Williams???
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Can you say "Tony Boselli?"...
No, but I can say Ahman Green. And Eric Moulds.
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No, but I can say Ahman Green. And Eric Moulds.
It's somewhat interesting to look back in comparison at this March 2007 TexansTalk post re. Green. He came in with a better historical injury and performance track record prior to the Texans signing him. He certainly was not signed with a significant injury. But then it just didn't work out.

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Browsing this board and a few of the Chronicle blogs, it seems there are a lot of folks who love to whine for the sake of whining without actually understanding the subject of what they're arguing. So, I figured it'd be good to have a single thread to dismiss most of these lies.

1. Why sign a running back who's injury-prone?

Well, because he's not. He had one leg injury two years ago - other than that, his track record has been one of incredible durability. 16 games, 14 games, 16 games, 16 games, 14 games, 16 games, 15 games, 5 years, and 14 games. You tell me which is the outlier among Green's nine seasons in the league. If anything, durability with Green is a positive, not a negative.

2. He's aging and washed up. A has been.

Do washed up has-beens accumulate almost 1,500 yards from scrimmage on about 300 touches last season? Do they average 4 YPC behind a poor offensive line (probably worse at run blocking than ours) and catch 46 passes at more than 8 YPC? Pop quiz: for all the love Reggie Bush gets for his versatility, who had more combined offensive yards (rushing + receiving) last season for a higher yards per touch - Reggie Bush, or Ahman Green? If you answered the latter, you'd be correct. If Green is a has been based on last season, I guess that makes Bush a never was.

3. Why not Travis Henry?

Because Henry averaged 3.5 YPC in 2004, 3.8 in 2005, and 2.7 in 2006 until VY showed up, when his YPC instantly shot up. Coincidence? I think not. Henry looked poor for three consecutive seasons, until he was able to benefit from the zone read scheme that made linebackers a step slow because they had to account for the possibility of Young faking the handoff and keeping it himself. Second, want to talk injury prone? That label applies to Henry - a guy with multiple nagging injuries - moreso than it does to Green, a durable player with one significant injury his entire career.

4. Running backs at 30 or older never do anything.

I guess someone forgot to tell that to Tiki Barber, who rushed for 1860 and 1662 yards the last two seasons on more than 5 YPC to go with approximately 500 receiving yards. I guess someone forgot to tell that to Warrick Dunn, who rushed for 1416 yards and 1140 yards the last two seasons, at 5 and 4 YPC. I guess someone forgot to tell that to Fred Taylor, who rushed for 1146 yards at 5 YPC last season. While a majority of backs are young, by no means is it a rule or requirement.

5. Why sign a reject that other teams didn't want?

Green Bay tried to re-sign him. Denver tried to sign him. The logic of "why sign so and so because so and so's old team let him go" can be applied to every free agent in the history of free agency. If you believe in that, why pursue anyone other than in the draft? Green had plenty of other suitors, but we offered the deal to get him here and he took it.

6. Why take another Packer or Bronco?

Yeah, I'm sure it's an obsession thing. Or maybe, just maybe, the Texans had a need at RB, and looked at all their options. They wanted someone with a proven track record - how's 6 out of 7 1,000 yard seasons sound? They wanted someone with experience behind a bad offensive line - how's the worst run-blocking OL in the league last season (Green Bay) sound? They wanted someone with experience with the zone blocking scheme - guess what Green Bay runs? They wanted someone with sound character to step up and be a leader - that's one thing Green is known for. They wanted someone to be a receiver out of the backfield - how does 46 catches at more than 8 YPC sound? Along with four seasons of 50 receptions or more? They wanted someone to step in for 2-3 seasons while a back for the future is developed via the draft - how's a 30 year old with about 2-3 really good years left in the tank sound?

Maybe it's not because they're obsessed with Packer running backs. Maybe it's because he's a really good fit. Think about it.

7. Why sign anyone so old? We're not going to contend in the next couple of years.

Yeah! That's the spirit! Don't even try in the next couple of years - that'll help build support for this franchise! Also, remember what happened the last time this team cut veteran leadership (Glenn and Sharper) and the dropoff that ensued when the team was put almost exclusively put in younger hands? Every team needs veteran leadership, particularly at skill positions, to direct the offense and help younger players. It's a vital part of building a team.

8. Why overpay for a 30-year old RB?

Well, first of all, running backs in the top five for the decade with 6 of 7 thousand-yard seasons (including last season) with good receiving skills don't come asking to play for the minimum. Secondly, this is the Houston Texans, not the Indianapolis Colts. This has been one of the worst teams in football for five years now. You think players are begging to play here? You have to pay a premium, change the culture, get some wins, and then potentially reap the rewards. It's a phase of rebuilding - either deal with it, or plan on rebuilding for a whole lot longer.



None of this is to say the signing is perfect - it certainly has its risks. But a few folks sound like they're complaining simply for the sake of complaining, rather than it being sound judgment and reasoning. These responses should answer some of the negativity.
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Can you say "Tony Boselli?"...
No, this is nothing like that.

Now it might be "Ahman Green" but I think we need Reed less than we needed Green at that time. It's bad if Reed doesn't come through but it's not like we have nothing else back there. When Green didn't come through the Texans were just kind of screwed.
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Store him away till now earlier than November
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LOL at all the people who bought Ed Reed jersey's.
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Default Re: Ed Reed may miss games now

Defense looks like it'll be pretty bad except for JJ Watt. Question marks all around with the linebacker situation, Earl Mitchell at the NT is an issue for me, and Ed Reed's health is a big concern.
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As I've said before, hip labrum surgery is seldom to be taken lightly.........and the hip problem for some football players may never disappear or may easily increase or recur with continued trauma. This new revelation, though, is shocking!...........simply shocking, I tell you!

I expect the next hip specialist called in to examine Reed will correctly diagnose and permanently fix the problem.

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Reed could still easily end up being ready for Week 1, but it's safe to say he would have never gotten his three-year, $15 million deal had the Texans known the true extent of his injury.

I don't know, necessarily, that it's safe to say that. Unless we're playing the New England Patriots week 1, it's possible we couldn't care less.

I'm sure the Texans are upset & probably feeling "violated" at this time. But we're not expecting Ed Reed to roam from sideline to sideline 20+ yards out game in & game out. We want him to bring some swagger & notoriety to our secondary & an extra half second for Jj Watt when it counts.

If the Texans had to chose between signing Ed Reed to $15M/3 years or Ed Reed retiring, I think they would have gone the same way. But still, they would have liked to have known all this before hand so they could work out their story, probably add a few stipulations to where Reed would do his rehab, that kind of stuff.
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You're right, we don't play NE until December 1. Though the important questions that we have no solid answers to now are:

1) Will he ever recover to the performance level that was expected when he was signed?

2) Will he re-injure his hip?

3) Will he suffer a new injury?

You may say that there is plenty of time for "recovery." But, the season is too long and there are too many important and tough games along the way between the beginning of the season and the playoffs to feel too "secure" with our new acquisition. Hopeful maybe........secure no.
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You may say that there is plenty of time for "recovery." But, the season is too long and there are too many important and tough games along the way between the beginning of the season and the playoffs to feel too "secure" with our new acquisition. Hopeful maybe........secure no.
My point, was that signing him was not about having him available week 1. I'm only arguing the point about "safe to say" quote from the article.
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My point, was that signing him was not about having him available week 1. I'm only arguing the point about "safe to say" quote from the article.
i'm not to worried, the game tape i have watched on D.J has me feeling pretty confident we have our safety of the future anyways. Plus the kid looks NFL ready to me !
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i'm not to worried, the game tape i have watched on D.J has me feeling pretty confident we have our safety of the future anyways. Plus the kid looks NFL ready to me !
Unless you're feeling confident that Wade's man love for Shilo Keo has waned...... I'd be a little bit worried.
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