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Old 09-22-2004   #67
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Originally Posted by Carr Bomb
I wasn't talking about potential in this statement I was talking about what I've seen so far this season. He has 2 td passes so far and is on par for a 16 td season so 20 isnt out of the question. Also he led 80 and 81 yard drives late in that game, but its kind of hard to lead a great comeback when your defense can't get a stop to save their life and yourcoach calls running plays right up the middle of the field when time is running out.
Well, I don't buy it yet. Those 4th quarter drives were not that impressive when you bust down the situations. I posted this at hpf earlier...but I will bring it here now...

Let's look at the 4th quarter activity. The Bradford TD was a blown coverage and the Texans only had one possession after that when we were down by two scores after Harrington drove his team down the field and iced the game with a TD pass to Williams in the most critical part of the game (we are behind 28-16 at that point).

After that the Lions were in a soft prevent and sitting on a two score lead and they gave us many of those underneath passes. We took the rest of the quarter to drive down the field and not score. Sure the passess were complete but what did it net? I mean, I can see the completion % has improved but look at the situation in the game as to what the real action was behind the stats.
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4th Quarter starts

Houston Texans continued.
2-7-HST 49 (15:00) 37-D.Davis right end to DET 49 for 2 yards (92-S.Rogers).
3-5-DET 49 (14:20) 8-D.Carr pass to 88-D.Armstrong to DET 42 for 7 yards (25-F.Bryant). P16
1-10-DET 42 (13:48) 37-D.Davis left tackle to DET 35 for 7 yards (28-Bracy Walker; 31-B.Marion).
2-3-DET 35 (13:07) 8-D.Carr pass incomplete to 80-A.Johnson (29-C.Cash).
3-3-DET 35 (13:03) 37-D.Davis up the middle to DET 27 for 8 yards (38-K.Smith). R17
1-10-DET 27 (12:26) 8-D.Carr pass to 85-C.Bradford for 27 yards, TOUCHDOWN. P18
TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. 8-D.Carr pass to 86-J.Gaffney is incomplete. ATTEMPT FAILS.
There was a blown coverage here and Carr spotted it as Bradford backs in to score. Way too early to go for two here. Nearly a full quarter of football left and with a Detroit field goal we would have been down by eight. Turns out they scored a TD and was ahead by 12 so it was a moot point but if they kicked a field goal that would have forced us to go for two again just to tie. If we took the one point pat we would not have been forced into taking a 2pt conv had they kicked the field goal. I was amazed we went for two at this point. This was a very questionable coaching decision imo.

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Second and last possession of the 4th quarter:

2-7-HST 13 (4:12) 8-D.Carr pass to 82-B.Miller to HST 20 for 7 yards (59-A.Lewis).
PENALTY on HST-77-T.Washington, Tripping, 6 yards, enforced at HST 13 - No Play. Penalty on HST-78-S.Wand, Offensive Holding, declined.
2-13-HST 7 (4:07) 8-D.Carr FUMBLES (Aborted) at HST 6, and recovers at HST 6. 8-D.Carr to HST 6 for no gain (54-T.Lehman).
3-14-HST 6 (3:39) 8-D.Carr pass to 37-D.Davis to HST 21 for 15 yards (59-A.Lewis). P19
1-10-HST 21 (3:13) 8-D.Carr pass to 88-D.Armstrong to HST 41 for 20 yards (42-T.Holt). P20
1-10-HST 41 (2:53) 8-D.Carr pass to 37-D.Davis to HST 47 for 6 yards (54-T.Lehman). DET #96-Hall injured on play.
2-4-HST 47 (2:33) 37-D.Davis up the middle to DET 48 for 5 yards (59-A.Lewis). R21
1-10-DET 48 (2:14) (Shotgun) 8-D.Carr sacked at HST 44 for -8 yards (94-M.Bell).
2-18-HST 44 (2:01) (Shotgun) 8-D.Carr pass incomplete to 80-A.Johnson.
Two-Minute Warning
3-18-HST 44 (1:56) (Shotgun) 8-D.Carr pass to 88-D.Armstrong pushed ob at DET 45 for 11 yards (59-A.Lewis).
4-7-DET 45 (1:47) (Shotgun) 8-D.Carr pass to 88-D.Armstrong to DET 34 for 11 yards (25-F.Bryant; 59-A.Lewis). P22
1-10-DET 34 (1:21) (Shotgun) 8-D.Carr pass incomplete to 80-A.Johnson.
2-10-DET 34 (1:19) (Shotgun) 8-D.Carr right end ran ob at DET 23 for 11 yards (28-Bracy Walker). R23
1-10-DET 23 (1:13) (Shotgun) 8-D.Carr pass incomplete to 88-D.Armstrong.
2-10-DET 23 (1:09) 8-D.Carr pass to 80-A.Johnson to DET 15 for 8 yards (31-B.Marion).
Timeout #1 by HST at 01:03.
3-2-DET 15 (1:03) (Shotgun) PENALTY on DET-92-S.Rogers, Encroachment, 5 yards, enforced at DET 15 - No Play. X24
1-10-DET 10 (1:03) 8-D.Carr pass incomplete to 80-A.Johnson.
2-10-DET 10 (:58) (Shotgun) 8-D.Carr sacked at DET 17 for -7 yards (96-J.Hall).
Timeout #2 by HST at 00:50.
3-17-DET 17 (:50) (Shotgun) 8-D.Carr pass to 37-D.Davis to DET 5 for 12 yards (54-T.Lehman; 26-R.Babers).
Timeout #3 by HST at 00:42.
4-5-DET 5 (:42) (Shotgun) 8-D.Carr up the middle to DET 1 for 4 yards (94-M.Bell).
Infantrycak, I will grant you his raw stats improved but we had the ball two times in the 4th quarter and only scored on a blown coverage. The last drive was a ton of gimmie passes and we still didn't get the TD to give us a shot to win it.

The real impressive drive was Harrington's drive at 12:20 to ice the game and leave us with 4:20 and a two score margin. Carr then drove the field against a soft zone and didn't puch it in while Harrington drove the field and threw a TD pass to Williams to ice the game against a defense that was not in a soft prevent defense.

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Detroit Lions at 12:20, (1st play from scrimmage 12:13)
1-10-DET 20 (12:13) 21-A.Pinner up the middle to DET 24 for 4 yards (56-J.Foreman).
2-6-DET 24 (11:33) 3-J.Harrington pass to 11-R.Williams to DET 32 for 8 yards (23-D.Robinson). P14
1-10-DET 32 (10:57) 3-J.Harrington pass to 84-T.Streets to DET 36 for 4 yards (23-D.Robinson, 52-K.Wong).
2-6-DET 36 (10:17) 3-J.Harrington pass to 34-K.Jones to DET 49 for 13 yards (26-G.Earl). P15
1-10-DET 49 (9:30) 34-K.Jones left end to DET 46 for -3 yards (56-J.Foreman).
2-13-DET 46 (8:46) 3-J.Harrington pass incomplete to 30-C.Schlesinger (99-R.Smith).
3-13-DET 46 (8:40) (Shotgun) 3-J.Harrington pass to 84-T.Streets ran ob at HST 37 for 17 yards. P16
1-10-HST 37 (8:10) 21-A.Pinner up the middle to HST 33 for 4 yards (91-S.Payne).
2-6-HST 33 (7:25) (Shotgun) PENALTY on DET-73-S.McDougle, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at HST 33 - No Play.
2-11-HST 38 (7:04) 3-J.Harrington right end to HST 33 for 5 yards (55-J.Sharper).
3-6-HST 33 (6:16) 3-J.Harrington pass to 81-A.Hakim to HST 19 for 14 yards (42-M.Coleman). P17
1-10-HST 19 (5:29) 21-A.Pinner up the middle to HST 14 for 5 yards (52-K.Wong).
2-5-HST 14 (4:48) 3-J.Harrington pass to 11-R.Williams for 14 yards, TOUCHDOWN. P18
4-J.Hanson extra point is GOOD, Center-57-J.Littleton, Holder-2-N.Harris.
You can also note that once we got to the 23 yard line in our last possession we had seven shots at trying to score a TD and came up with air.
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