Originally Posted by Texian
The Florida team that TB beat was almost the same Florida team that went 4-8 this year and lost to Georgia Southern at home. My point is playing Ohio, Florida International and Missouri State is conducive to helping inflate one's stats while playing teams like Ohio State, South Carolina, Missouri and Penn State does not pad stats as well as playing the weak sisters. Playing a 9-4 Miami maybe the equivalent of playing a 7-5 Penn State but it is not on par with playing a an 11-2 South Carolina or an 11-2 Baylor. Louisville's toughest competition this year was 12-1 UCF to whom they lost and at home no less.
If you compare Teddy's freshman year to Manziel's freshman year there is no comparison. Not even in the same ballpark.
No real dog in this race though if I had to choose then Bortles would probably be third option after the obvious other two QB's since Carr isn't in the discussion. But you're stretching things a bit just so you can have your own point.
That Florida Gators team was no where near the same team. Not even close. Most of their starters on defense were replaced. Now some were backups on the 2012 roster but the majority was gone including at least four players off the top of my head who were NFL players this past season:
So that definitely does not equal same team from '12 to '13 defensively. That Gators team was one of the better defenses that year and that's why folks started looking at Bridgewater because he performed solid against a superior defense. Don't try to short change the guy because you don't like him over Bortles or Manziel or what not.
As for schedule, someone else put a link to illustrate all these guys from the 'big name' schools often are not your starters in the league. Won't go into the whole reasoning Cowherd had or what not but just saying let's not put too much weight in it. In this case, it's kind of easy to move on from it because Bortles and TB played in the same conference. Simply take the games against common opponents, average them out and go from there. Rounded where needed:
19/28 with a 67.3 completion percentage 2 TD's 0.4 Int's and a rating of 164.3
22/31 with a 71 completion percentage 2 TD's 0.4 Int's and a rating of 165.9
Little difference for us to be having those overly long debates on the subject to be honest. Probably why I haven't dove into it for pages upon pages. I'm cool with whoever O'Brien goes with if between these three. They have positives and negatives.
As for Manziel's freshmen year I wouldn't compare that to someone who was in a more 'pro-style' because there is a different learning curve. Like I said, I'm cool with all three so maybe it's a reason I am objective about them. I can't argue one over the other without another point rising for the other. It's really back and forth. But Manziel operated in a system more easy to grasp as stated here:
They designed it to be this way as does Briles and such. Guys from these systems coached by Sumlin, Briles, Leach, etc., have yet to a QB produce except RG3 one year. So it is something to be concerned. At the same time it's good that Manziel goes outside of the Aggies in the offseason to progress which I think will help him for the next level.