Originally Posted by bhsman
It's probably unfair to McCarron whose rushing stats would take a hit from being sacked, but Manziel's rushes are a huge part of why he's successful and why the team is successful. I don't have a problem including it.
You're missing my point. Rushing stats are part of football and should be included. However, you should include fumbles as well when you are talking about a guy that runs 11 times per game.
Mariota's total TD/interception ratio is 31/0 and that is through 9 games versus Manziel's 10 games (39/11). Mariota is also sporting 8 YPC versus Manziel's 5.6 YPC, with 281.2 passing yards per game and 55 rushing yards per game on less passing attempts and less rushing attempts than Manziel. That would have been a more apt comparison. Even still, it doesn't tell the whole story because Mariota runs the ball 7 times per game and fumbles aren't included.
Including Bryce Petty would also make sense. Through 8 games, 2 less than Manziel, he's got a total TD/interception ratio of 29/1. His passing yards per game of 332.1 is the best in the country and that comes on 81% of the passing attempts per game versus Manziel. He's run at 2.7 YPC for 15 yards per game.
Both those guys are on teams that destroy people early, outside of Oregon in the Stanford game, so they are operating with that statistical crutch, just like McCarron and Winston are.
Anyway, the point was that the picture chooses which athletes and which stats it is using against them. The truth is that the Heisman race is a close one between a number of guys.