Originally Posted by thunderkyss
I felt the same way about Sage that DocBar feels about Yates & Keenum.
I'd have started Sage before I traded two 2nd rounders & signed a guy to be the starting QB. I want someone to win the job on the field. & Sage beat Carr out for the job, imo.
Nothing against Matt, the trade worked out better than I expected.
My plan is that Matt is the starter as long as he's healthy. But if we're down early like we were against the Pats or Packers last year, I'm sending one of the kids in. If they play exceptional (because playing fine, or alright isn't going to cut it) then they'll get to start the next game & we'll go from there.
If benching Schaub doesn't turn on that "sense of urgency" switch, I don't know what will. But our next starting QB is going to win the job (if I had anything to say about it). If Kubiak thinks he can win 10 or more games with Yates/Keenum, I'm fine with that. If he brings someone in to compete for the job in the offseason, I'm fine with that.
If he brings Schaub back, after a play off swoon, I won't understand it, but I'd support him & root for him best I could. & my idea of a play off swoon is probably not as liberal as some. His 2012 performance did not warrant replacing him or the slack he's gotten since.
Tk I hear you but my take on MS is based on what I have seen since he has been here and what he really is. Also I agree 100% what you said about replacing MS but Kubiak I don't think will do that.
I posted this in a previous thread
"My take on MS is for the regular season games against the non elite teams I am ok with ms because you really don't need him to win game. As long as he manages game the Texans probably win. I think MS has the best chance of managing a game of the 3 QBs.
Against the elite teams you need the QB to do more and MS has a ceiling. We have seen it many times. The above is based on him playing like he did in the first 12 games last year. If he plays like he did at the end then I don't want him at all.
I think TJ has the same upside as MS a he gets more experience but not much more.
Case is the one I would want if we need the QB to win the game. I would not like him right now to get us to the playoffs because I think he will have lower lows but higher highs. He is not as consistent as MS but I think he has a chance to have a great game at times and carry a team. I really don't think MS has that in him.
Tough situation right now because MS is going to play and the other QB's get no experience so you have to ride MS in the playoffs and we win the game not because of MS does but what the rest of the team does.
Just my opinion. "
I think I understand more now what I meant after reading a SI article on How to beat Alabama and watching the UT vs BYU game.
Matt is maybe the least likely player to create, improvise, or make an unscheduled play. First he is possible the least physically gifted QB and he hasn't shown any ability to improvise if a play breaks down. Against lesser teams you can play that way and win. Against equal or better teams you can't play like that and win unless you have a dominating defense which we don't. We may have the most dominating defensive player but the defense as a whole is above average.
A good coach with good talent can come up with a way to stop a team. As Saban stated you can't scheme against a player that can make an unscheduled play. MS is maybe the least likely to make an unscheduled play and thus it is easier to scheme against the Texans because you do not need to account for MS. Just my opinion but I think TJ is very much like MS in that aspect. I would welcome the chance to see how TJ/CK would fare in real action but it won't happen unless MS is hurt.
In the regular season, as we saw last year you can get away with MS as QB. When the games really started to matter at the end of the season/playoffs we saw what happened.
Watching the UT vs BYU game hammered home what a multi talented QB has over a 1 dimension non athletic QB but really we see this fact every week.
Now to be fare to MS maybe GK has the handcuffs on MS but I think even if MS had a green light he does not have the ability to improvise.
Post too long and rambling now. I am out.