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Old 06-16-2013   #106
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Default Re: Should the Redskins change their name?

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Like I said, if you're not THAT minority, then you don't know what it is they deal with and what it is they hear. You don't know how they're attacked and what they find demeaning.

Even different sections of that demographic living in different places will be offended by different words because they're attacked by different words where they live. Some Native American in Tennessee might get hit with the "redskin" word as derogatory but not feel that "brave" or "navajo" or whatever is derogatory but a Native American in Oklahoma or Alaska or California might and not be offended by "redskin".
When we finally complete the epic book of words that offend "someone, somewhere" and forever rule all of those words out completely I guess everyone will be happy and be able to get past the transgressions committed against their ancestors a century or more ago. What a happy day that will be when all racism is magically eliminated by walling off every word that ever made someone upset. I can hardly wait for the day.

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Someone in the Majority telling someone in the Minority what they should and shouldn't be offended by is a dangerous position because it allows the Majority to minimize what the Minority is feeling. "Oh, you shouldn't be offended by that! I didn't mean anything by it." is a perfect defense for a racist to take.
Sometimes the majority is right about something but we'll never know that because in every single instance that the majority points out something we learn that they are on shaky ground and most likely just "bad" because there are more of them than there are whoever is butt-hurt at that particular point in time. Sometimes "I didn't mean anything by it" is entirely true.

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And to be honest, I've defended myself with almost those exact same words when I offended a Jewish guy by making a JAP joke once. I'm not a racist [Again, exactly what a racist would say] and several of my Jewish friends came to my defense because they thought it was funny and non-offensive and they knew I didn't mean anything by it. But the bottom line is I said something and offended that guy... and I should have apologized. I didn't because I thought he was being overly sensitive and silly. That's the problem here: if someone gets offended, they're offended and telling them to chill out and grow up just compounds the problem.
I don't think any of us have never done that. It's a common enough story and when I've done that I've just said "I'm sorry. I did not mean to offend". I was sincere and expected to be taken at my word then. At what point did we decide collectively as a people that if you transgressed you had to apologize but if someone apologized to you it was ok to stay upset because well, you were just too offended to get over it. When I encounter someone who is too offended to reason with, too offended to get on with life I feel sorry for them because that's entirely their problem. Go through life looking for people who are out to offend you and you're sure to find them.

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BUT...

Until the larger community started to feel that the n-word was offensive, people continued to use it in every day life. People had to realize that it was offensive to other people and feel bad about offending them before anything changed. (Unlike me not feeling bad about making that JAP joke.)

The same thing's probably going to happen here. Some American Indians feel offended; some don't. But until a lot more people (both Indian and non-Indian) start to realize and CARE that it's offensive to some people, it isn't going to change.

It's a complicated issue.
It does not have to be. We could probably get a law passed if we got enough offended people together and just rename the NFL teams "1" through "32" and then all we'd have to do is settle the team colors problem. Black is racist, so's Yellow, and I think we've established that Red is going to be a problem....

People just need to get over it and get behind what the word means today. I mean, it's "Redskins" not "Cowboys". Where are people's priorities here?
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