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Old 03-22-2013   #20
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Default Re: "It's always been a fumble"

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Originally Posted by eriadoc View Post
That it was a TD is incidental to the fact that the refs made the call they did because they were afraid of the pandemonium that would ensue. They have almost all admitted over the years that they made that call based on the crowd. So that's not the same thing as the Tuck Rule call, obviously, but it's another example of the refs allowing outside influences to affect their call. In the Tuck Rule call, it was opposing fandom, which is also awful.

By the way, did that ref get fired?
That would be more similar to the Immaculate Deception, where the refs ruled TD after watching the replay and inquiring about available security to protect them if they ruled against the Steelers. Rumor has it that once they found out there would be no extra security to protect them, they ruled it a TD. Personally, I don't think there ever was a clear view that showed definitively one way or the other. That's why the Immaculate Deception doesn't bother me like the Rob Lytle fumble or the Snow Job.

No, Walt Coleman did not get fired. In fact, he was rewarded the Conference Championship Game in 2003. You forget, we're talking about the Raiders and the League here.

I did find this gem on Coleman that you as a Texans fan can relate to:

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2012 Lions v. Texans game

Coleman officiated the 2012 Thanksgiving game between the Houston Texans and Detroit Lions. With 6:50 left in the third quarter, the Texans had the ball on their own 19-yard line, trailing the Lions 24-14. On second down, the ball was handed to Houston running back Justin Forsett. Replays clearly indicated that Forsett was down by contact after a short gain,[20] but no whistle was blown and Forsett ended getting back up to run for an 81-yard touchdown.[21] However, Detroit head coach Jim Schwartz immediately threw the challenge flag after the scoring play, which negated the automatic review that would have overturned the call.[22] The Texans ended up winning the game in overtime. Both Mike Florio of ProFootballtalk and Mike Pereira, who now is a consultant with Fox Sports, later wrote that they would favor a rule change to make this just a 15-yard penalty.[21][22] The day after the game, NFL director of football operations Ray Anderson said that the league competition committee will likely discuss the rule during the ensuing off-season.[23] New York Giants co-owner John Mara, who originally was a proponent of the "red-flag-no-review" rule after an incident in a 2010 game against the Washington Redskins, then said to USA Today that he plans submit the rule change proposal to the competition committee.
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