Originally Posted by thunderkyss
To be truly useful, for the purpose you stated, we need to see how these numbers compare to past seasons. We've never been a vertical offense, this is a WCO. At the same time, those runs, those short passes would set us up for the big play down the field.
There's no doubt in my mind, that 2012's offense was limited compared to our offense in the past. What I don't agree with is that Matt Schaub & Gary Kubiak were the limiting factors. Loosing Jacoby hurt us more than some want to admit.
KDub isn't going to get YAC & though he may get down the field every now & again, defenses aren't drawn away from the LOS because of it. OD & James Casey may get you some YAC, but they're not going to get the defenses to back up & spread out.
I am not saying we didn't win the Super Bowl because we didn't have Jacoby Jones. I don't think he would have had as many catches as Walter had we cut Walter & kept Jones. But he would have had as many if not more yards & he'd have had a higher ypc. There would have been more space for everyone else on the field. I never thought Jacoby was better than Walter, just different & for this offense, I prefer to have Jacoby.
I agree about Jacoby. For all his faults he still opened the offense more than KDub did and made more things possible. They weren't too bad together for what they brought. Just those mental lapses...ugh.
As for the WCO, I think a good coach needs to learn to evolve his offense instead of working in strict definitions. Not saying Kubiak is a bad one as this past season may bring new adjustments to his direction and I think he has done so before in the past. As he said, the Patriots game taught them a lot.
But other teams run the west coast as well yet we were one of three that were under 10% in passes 20+ yards. As some are arguing in NFL circles these days you have to attack more downfield because that's just today's NFL thanks to the crappy rules (sorry...cornerback in me talking that hates these PI calls lol). Here are a pair of good quotes I saw in an article ofr USA Today:
"I'm not sure what the West Coast offense is anymore," he says. "Everybody adjusts their system to what they do, or what they want to do, or they adjust it to their personnel." - Mike Shannahan
"I believe there is and always will be a need for elements of a West Coast offense," Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley says. "When I think West Coast, I think progression reads. It depends on the talent you have on offense. That dictates what you do as much as defense." - Todd Haley
So are we limited due to system or personnel is a good question in my opinion. While we are a WCO system I think we all see on deep throws where Schaub underthrows or that he tends to put too much air under his passes. Still I think he could be better in the 10-19 range with the personnel necessary and we don't need 70 yard bombs (though they are nice!)
Breakdowns for past years when Schaub played since it is spotty with injury issues:
20+ 10-19 0-9 Minus
2012 9.34% 20.20% 56.71% 13.75%
2011 14.29% 18.92% 53.28% 13.51%
2010 9.18% 22.75% 55.26% 12.81%
2009 9.87% 19.92% 55.03% 15.18%
2008 9.65% 23.39% 52.34% 14.62%
2011 we went deep more. Is it a coincidence it is also the season Jacoby played the most? Not saying 'Give us back Jacoby!' but saying (as Thunder pointed out) a change in personnel brought a difference to the offense and adjustments. It's one reason I really want a WR that can be a playmaker.
Now if the suspicions some folks have about Schaub and that injury playing a role is true it may mean what we see is what we get. Hopefully it isn't though.