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Old 02-20-2013   #46
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Default Re: Vance Joseph on DBs

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss View Post
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. You can put me on a top 10 passing defense & I'm going to look so good. You put me on the 30th rank defense, I'm going to look worse. My stats are going to look worse.

I just don't believe you can judge a players "NFL Readiness" on one of the worst defenses in the league. You can't judge a DBs "NFL Readiness" on the worst pass defense in the league. Sure, that rookie most likely played into that ranking. That's would explain why Arizona was 10th & not 4th (not saying that Arizona was 10th, it's just an example), that would explain why Cleveland is 6th instead of 5th (again, just an example). Kareem making us 32nd when we "should have been 31 doesn't mean he wasn't NFL ready.

Brian Cushing on that same defense did not look anywhere near the elite, 2 time DROY, LB that he is.

But for Kareem to play at the level he is now, just 3 years later leeds me to believe he was closer to that NFL Ready than not.
He was part of the reason that defense looked so bad, mainly the secondary.


The DB's were about the same minus dunta and while they weren't great, they got a lot worse when Kareem came along.

Go listen to his position coach. He was on the radio a little while back talking about how awful his technique was and how bad he was at playing the ball. Vance Joseph himself talked about how bad kj was in his rookie year. He talked about why he didn't make plays on the ball and he said it was because his technique was bad and he was rarely in position to make the plays.

But he said that Kareem has improved leaps and bounds and he talked about how he's become more of a technician and how he is now in better position and can now play the ball more effectively.

You can believe what you want to believe, but Kareem was bad his rookie year all by himself, regardless of what anyone else was doing. He's gotten much, much better.

Oh and btw, on of those "terrible players" just won a ring as a starter and has been a pretty good player every year except that one. Another one of those players is still starting for us, albeit in a different position.
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