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Old 01-11-2013   #16
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Default Re: Eli Manning vs Matt Schaub

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Originally Posted by gtexan02 View Post
MVP awards, including Superbowl MVPs, are biased towards offensive players. QBs in particular. In the last 10 years, we've had exactly 1 defensive player win superbowl MVP. In the last 30 years, it's gone to 4 defensive players.
I do not disagree with the offensive tendency, but that does not diminish Eli's accomplishment of winning two SB MVP awards.

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Who is the most valuable player in the NFL today? JJ Watt, hands down. Think he has a shot at MVP of the regular season? Doubtful.
'eh, debatable. I love JJ, and he's certainly DPOY, but I think many players could easily be argued as MVP. Manning (Peyton), Brady, Peterson just off the top of my head. The last time a defensive player won was LT in '86, iirc.

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In 2007 the Patriots were averaging 37 points a game during the regular season. In the superbowl, the Giants gave up 14 points. You really think Eli was the reason they won that game? Sure, maybe he was the most valuable individual in that game, but he certainly wasn't the reason they won. The defense, as a whole, was the reason they were able to beat the Patriots. Thats all I was trying to say. Eli managed the game for them, and did just enough to put up 17 points.

In 2007 he was 19/35 (55%) for 2 TDs and 1 INT
Most Super Bowl champions are well rounded teams. It's a symbiotic relationship between offense, defense, special teams, and coaching.

Please tell me which defensive player was in on this play:

Eli Manning pass to Tyree

Freak play. Some say the catch was "lucky". Perhaps. But that scrambling and avoiding multiple sacks to make that pass was pure will, determination, and skill. (And I do not see Schaub ever making that play happen.)

I'm not asking you to like Eli. Just don't pretend that Eli had nothing to do with those wins. Eli led game winning drives in both Super Bowls.
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