Originally Posted by corytx8
Yes, but anytime the QB has a forward motion on his arm, it becomes a pass. A pass which Andy Dalton was able to hold onto the ball enough to release it after his arm went forward. Barwin would have need to knock the ball out while Dalton arm was cocked back in order for it be ruled a fumble. Sorry buddy, but either you saw wrong or ya not understanding the rule then.
Ball out after arm is forward = pass
Ball out while arm is backwards = fumble
Its that simple.
If Barwin knocked his arm forward before the ball started coming out then pass. Doesn't matter that Barwin (not Dalton) started the arm forward, what matters is - did the ball start coming out before the arm started forward? If DocBar is correct that Barwin's hit caused the arm to start forward then it is an imcomplete pass. If Barwin had hit the ball loose and Dalton's arm continued backwards (not what happened according to DocBar) then it would have been a fumble.
Even so, it was a reasonable challenge. If you have a 10% chance of getting a turnover, it is worth losing a first half timeout.