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SW H-TOWN 04-25-2013 11:33 PM

We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
1. Several players with second round grades were selected in the 1st.
Eric Reid (How was he picked ahead of Jonathan Cyprien)
Justin Pugh
Kyle Long
Travis Fredrick (Way to early, WOW)
Matt Elam

2. I predict that there will be several QB's and WR's selected in the 2nd.

This will inevitably push down several good players which will result in some serious talent sitting there when we pick in the 2nd. Personally I am hoping that Arthur Brown, guy literally eats and sleeps football, is available in the 2nd and Jesse Williams and D.J. Swearinger are available in the 3rd.

Dutchrudder 04-25-2013 11:57 PM

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Man, did you hear that Manti Teo is still available? I can't believe that, Manti Teo wasn't picked in the 1st! Manti Teo can do it all, Teo can run black, Teo can defend against the pass, Manti can cover TEs, we should trade up and get Manti Teo! What a great name to have on our side, Manti Teo! All the analysts are saying how great Manti Teo is, and how Manti Teo is going to be the next great LB of this generation because Manti Teo will not back down to anyone, not even a Manti Teo doppleganger.

MANTI TEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:kitten:

Playoffs 04-26-2013 12:09 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 2156359)
Man, did you hear that Manti Teo is still available? I can't believe that, Manti Teo wasn't picked in the 1st! Manti Teo can do it all, Teo can run black, Teo can defend against the pass, Manti can cover TEs, we should trade up and get Manti Teo! What a great name to have on our side, Manti Teo! All the analysts are saying how great Manti Teo is, and how Manti Teo is going to be the next great LB of this generation because Manti Teo will not back down to anyone, not even a Manti Teo doppleganger.

MANTI TEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:kitten:

Can't fit him & the girl under the cap.

DocBar 04-26-2013 12:15 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
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Originally Posted by SW H-TOWN (Post 2156338)
1. Several players with second round grades were selected in the 1st.
Eric Reid (How was he picked ahead of Jonathan Cyprien)
Justin Pugh
Kyle Long
Travis Fredrick (Way to early, WOW)
Matt Elam

2. I predict that there will be several QB's and WR's selected in the 2nd.

This will inevitably push down several good players which will result in some serious talent sitting there when we pick in the 2nd. Personally I am hoping that Arthur Brown, guy literally eats and sleeps football, is available in the 2nd and Jesse Williams and D.J. Swearinger are available in the 3rd.

I agree with your thought process but I bet it's hell for a guy to eat and sleep football. Especially when he's taking a dump and the laces hit while he has a crick in his neck. French tickler from hell. :spin:

Jules Winnfield 04-26-2013 12:17 AM

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http://www.bostonglobe.com/rf/image_...s/badger.r.jpg


Please get this guy. Texans need to stop this whole we only draft good old boys "texans worthy"' schtick.

Its freaking lame.

This dude is a game breaker.

DocBar 04-26-2013 12:56 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
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Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield (Post 2156382)
http://www.bostonglobe.com/rf/image_...s/badger.r.jpg


Please get this guy. Texans need to stop this whole we only draft good old boys "texans worthy"' schtick.

Its freaking lame.

This dude is a game breaker.

Sounds almost like Pacman Jone's. It's hard to be a great football player when you aren't allowed to play football. I like the you man's potential but damn...what a downside.

Jules Winnfield 04-26-2013 01:16 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 2156404)
Sounds almost like Pacman Jone's. It's hard to be a great football player when you aren't allowed to play football. I like the you man's potential but damn...what a downside.

sounds like, doesnt mean he is. What are the chances he shoots ups a club and paralyzes someone?

He's worth the risk. Its not like contracts are guaranteed.

His talent is real. His potential to possibly commit a crime isnt.

Corrosion 04-26-2013 02:27 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
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Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield (Post 2156410)
sounds like, doesnt mean he is. What are the chances he shoots ups a club and paralyzes someone?

He's worth the risk. Its not like contracts are guaranteed.

His talent is real. His potential to possibly commit a crime isnt.


And you'd be one of the first pissing and moaning about how the Texans blew the pick .... yelling and screaming to run him outa town cause he's a fluck up.


Being an NFL (pro sports) coach or GM is a no win situation with the fans ..... damned if you do , damned if you dont.

Just take a look at how everyone wanted Jacoby Jones gone after last years playoff loss .... and now those same morons are pissing and moaning that the staff cut his ass.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/880927/jacoby.gif

eriadoc 04-26-2013 09:21 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
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Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield (Post 2156410)
sounds like, doesnt mean he is. What are the chances he shoots ups a club and paralyzes someone?

The risk with guys like that is not that they'll go do something directly, but the types of people they surround themselves with. I'm in favor of legalizing marijuana, but until they do, guys who do weed tend to surround themselves with people who don't care that they break the law. That generally leads to some reckless behavior, especially when you inject a few million dollars and a billion strip clubs into the equation.

Tell the truth - you ever worry about JJ Watt going out and getting in trouble at some nightclub?

HuttoKarl 04-26-2013 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by eriadoc (Post 2156498)
The risk with guys like that is not that they'll go do something directly, but the types of people they surround themselves with. I'm in favor of legalizing marijuana, but until they do, guys who do weed tend to surround themselves with people who don't care that they break the law. That generally leads to some reckless behavior, especially when you inject a few million dollars and a billion strip clubs into the equation.

Tell the truth - you ever worry about JJ Watt going out and getting in trouble at some nightclub?


What if we make him become JJ Watt's roommate? Might that keep him from doing stupid shiz? :thisbig:

Marcus 04-26-2013 09:35 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2156427)
Just take a look at how everyone wanted Jacoby Jones gone after last years playoff loss .... and now those same morons are pissing and moaning that the staff cut his ass.

Yeah, fans do have that little flaw about them. Throw in the fact that they are all revisionist historians, and it adds up to being pretty much worthless.

:D

Rey 04-26-2013 09:38 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
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Originally Posted by eriadoc (Post 2156498)
The risk with guys like that is not that they'll go do something directly, but the types of people they surround themselves with. I'm in favor of legalizing marijuana, but until they do, guys who do weed tend to surround themselves with people who don't care that they break the law. That generally leads to some reckless behavior, especially when you inject a few million dollars and a billion strip clubs into the equation.

Tell the truth - you ever worry about JJ Watt going out and getting in trouble at some nightclub?

I don't agree with that.

There are plenty of people that smoke weed that aren't out being reckless.

We've heard nothing about him being out and involved in reckless behavior, getting into fights or anything else involving him breaking the law other than smoking weed.

There are a lot of guys that smoke weed in the NFL that don't get popped for it and aren't hanging out at strip clubs involved in shootings.

Now I'm not saying that marijuana addiction isn't a problem for an NFL player. I just disagree that because he smokes he's a risk to be involved in all kinds of other bad behavior.

Texan_Bill 04-26-2013 09:46 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2156427)
And you'd be one of the first pissing and moaning about how the Texans blew the pick .... yelling and screaming to run him outa town cause he's a fluck up.


Being an NFL (pro sports) coach or GM is a no win situation with the fans ..... damned if you do , damned if you dont.

Just take a look at how everyone wanted Jacoby Jones gone after last years playoff loss .... and now those same morons are pissing and moaning that the staff cut his ass.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/880927/jacoby.gif

Not me.

Once he be gone, I want him to stay gone! That muffed punt was the final straw for me. I don't give a damn what he does in Baltimore or anywhere else.

infantrycak 04-26-2013 10:40 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
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Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield (Post 2156382)
http://www.bostonglobe.com/rf/image_...s/badger.r.jpg


Please get this guy. Texans need to stop this whole we only draft good old boys "texans worthy"' schtick.

Its freaking lame.


This dude is a game breaker.

The Texans just spent their 1st on someone with colorful allegations against him.

As to Mattheu there was an interesting discussion on the radio yesterday. Apparently he claims college tests for fake marijuana and that was what he tested positive for in all the tests. The NFL supposedly not test for fake marijuana. Problem solved if true. Now if he is lying...

GP 04-26-2013 10:52 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield (Post 2156410)
sounds like, doesnt mean he is. What are the chances he shoots ups a club and paralyzes someone?

He's worth the risk. Its not like contracts are guaranteed.

His talent is real. His potential to possibly commit a crime isnt.

You do know that every day he hands his car over to a handler who drives it away, leaving him without a vehicle (in a condominium complex full of retired elderly)...then the handler brings his car to him in the morning so he can get to his workouts...all so that he won't go out and fall into trouble.

You know that, right? It's in an ESPN The Magazine article.

Don't get me wrong, he's got talent. And people who live on the edge in real life tend to live on the edge on the field...and that can make for dynamic playmakers on Sundays. But he would be a constantly monitored player for us. And that Dez Bryant is openly adamant that he's the best player in the draft no matter what anybody says about his problems...well, yeah...it's problematic to say the least.

Quote:

"A lot of great players in this draft but @Mathieu_Era is the best player in the draft," Bryant tweeted. "You can say whatever you want about him #gamechanger. - Dez Bryant
From the article:

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He moved to Florida by himself five months before the NFL draft, hoping to scrub his life clean of temptation, and all that remains is a Spartan daily schedule that hangs on his wall: A beach run or walk after dawn. Some lifting at the gym before lunch. A deep-tissue massage in the early afternoon. Then a two-hour workout with a training group of former college players in the Florida heat.

By 4 p.m. Mathieu is usually back at his antiseptic apartment in Delray Beach, a one-bedroom stucco in a gated community of retirees, with manicured palm trees and a swimming pool. The place is filled with white New Englanders who are there for the winter. He has yet to meet any of them. "I think they might be scared of me or something," he says.

One afternoon in early spring, Mathieu returns to the apartment and drops his workout gear on the floor. His agent found the place for him and rented it fully stocked. There are paintings of seashells on the walls and pink and purple beach towels hanging on a rack by the entrance. "I never use any of this," Mathieu says. "It's like being in a hotel." He has never lived by himself, so he asks his girlfriend at LSU to email him grocery lists of foods that are easy to prepare. Now the fridge is filled with frozen mashed potatoes, a 50-pack of hot dogs, Kraft cheese, peanut butter and Popsicles.

His main problems in Florida are loneliness and boredom. Counselors and therapists instructed him to end relationships with people who added to his stress and triggered his addiction, which turned out to be most of them, so he has changed his cellphone number twice in the past three months to avoid old high school and college friends. He avoids text messages from the mother who gave him up for adoption a lifetime ago and the uncle who took him in. He's tired, he says, of the family members who have repeatedly disappointed him and want only his validation and time, if not his money. He's done giving at his own expense. "All that drama and negativity just drags on me," he says.

One of his old college teammates, quarterback Jordan Jefferson, is also training in Delray Beach, but Mathieu has kept his distance. (Jefferson, Mathieu and two other ex-Tigers were arrested in October 2012 on drug-related charges.) Mathieu prefers to pass the time alone by obsessively washing his car, even though he rarely drives it. The clubs of South Beach are less than an hour away, and Mathieu thinks it is too tempting to have his car nearby at night. "I'd rather be trapped here without having to think about it," he says, so after dark he lends the car to his agent's assistant, who drives it away, then brings it back each morning before Mathieu's first workout.

When the assistant leaves with the car, Mathieu grabs a Popsicle from his fridge and turns the flat-screen TV to the History Channel. He has always been contemplative -- sometimes, according to his counselors at LSU, too pensive for his own good. Other college kids make their mistakes and move on; Mathieu would obsess about blown coverages and light a blunt. Regret became self-hatred and anger, which became depression, which became days of sleeping 14 hours and missing class to smoke weed in his apartment with the shades drawn.

"I like trying to understand why things happen," he says. "I want to know the root causes."

The show on TV is about a Civil War general charged with treason. Mathieu grabs the remote and punches up the volume.

"What the hell?" Mathieu says. "What made him do that? What made this dude go wrong?"
When this guy gets a nice payday, and he's "In the NFL" all of a sudden, I just don't know at the end of the day if he's mature enough to keep things squared away and be a great player. SEEMS like he's trying, sure, but things get magnified when a guy enters the NFL. Scenery changes. Change can be bad for certain personalities. A lot of risk there, IMO. Huge reward, but a lot of risk.

infantrycak 04-26-2013 11:52 AM

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I think you can kiss off any chance of Mathieu being a Texan. He blew off a meeting with them last week - Link

GP 04-26-2013 11:57 AM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
He also just blew off a personal meeting with both the Texans and the Seahawks.

He no-showed for those two meetings.

More of the story HERE.

The guy is tragic.

HoustonFrog 04-26-2013 12:08 PM

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Can I just say I want to see T'eo taken and then get up and hug a fake person and smile. That would make my day.

Corrosion 04-26-2013 12:38 PM

Re: We will select a very talented player in the second for the following reasons...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus (Post 2156507)
Yeah, fans do have that little flaw about them. Throw in the fact that they are all revisionist historians, and it adds up to being pretty much worthless.

:D


Um .... dont agree with me! It just aint right! :corrosion:


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Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 2156515)
Not me.

Once he be gone, I want him to stay gone! That muffed punt was the final straw for me. I don't give a damn what he does in Baltimore or anywhere else.

Im with ya TB .... It was time for him to move on. That fumble was the straw that broke the camels back - and the camel gave him many many chances.

I do have to wonder if getting cut was a wakeup call for the kid .... because he did have a good year for the Ratbirds.

eriadoc 04-26-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2156509)
I don't agree with that.

There are plenty of people that smoke weed that aren't out being reckless.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that smoking weed is reckless, or that it necessarily leads to being reckless. I should have been clearer. Yes, other guys in the league smoke. But they do it "responsibly". They don't get caught and/or they practice enough moderation to keep it from taking over their lives. Mathieu seems to have a problem with prioritizing that habit. Therefore, I don't find it improbable that he might surround himself with some reckless people.

The guy that leaps to mind for me is Ricky Williams. He let it take over his life for a while and his career was never the same. Lots of players smoke. Not many let it take over their lives the way Williams did, and the way that people are concerned Mathieu might/might have.


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