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badboy 04-17-2013 03:29 PM

Step it up, Texans
 
Players you expect to step it up over last season or take it up another level. Possible cuts *

Braman LB

Brooks OG

*Clutts FB

B. Harris DB

*Lestar Jean WR

Keyshawn Martin WR

Whitney Mercilus OLB

Mitchell DT

Newton RT

Pleasant DB

Sharpton LB (playing for a contract with someone)

Antonio Smith (playing for a final contract with someone)

Ben Tate

Rey 04-17-2013 03:43 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
I don't think LeStar is getting cut. He didn't have a great season, but when given the chance last season he usually made some pretty big plays....

IDEXAN 04-17-2013 04:19 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Yea, but Lestar also dropped a ton of balls, including quite a few in third and longs.

eriadoc 04-17-2013 04:40 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
JMO, but they need to use Jean across the middle, on comeback routes, etc. He doesn't have the deep speed to run the fly routes they tried with him last year, but he's got good height and has a knack for making plays on the ball. He attacks the ball pretty well.

eriadoc 04-17-2013 04:41 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2152214)
Yea, but Lestar also dropped a ton of balls, including quite a few in third and longs.

Define a ton, please. Are we talking about 2000 lbs worth of balls? 10 drops? 2 drops? A high percentage of his overall catch total? Or just some nebulous feeling that you have?

badboy 04-17-2013 04:50 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eriadoc (Post 2152224)
JMO, but they need to use Jean across the middle, on comeback routes, etc. He doesn't have the deep speed to run the fly routes they tried with him last year, but he's got good height and has a knack for making plays on the ball. He attacks the ball pretty well.

this is what I want to see also as Jean could be an AJ type player. He is strong enough to battle DBs and take ball away or force it to ground. He is a big target and his hands should be good enough. Maybe with Walter gone, he will get more opportunities and that is why I have him as a step it up player. If he cannot get it done and soon, time to move on and allow others a chance like Jeff Maehl.

kingtexan 04-17-2013 05:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eriadoc (Post 2152225)
Define a ton, please. Are we talking about 2000 lbs worth of balls? 10 drops? 2 drops? A high percentage of his overall catch total? Or just some nebulous feeling that you have?

I didn't think he dropped that many.

infantrycak 04-17-2013 06:09 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eriadoc (Post 2152225)
Define a ton, please. Are we talking about 2000 lbs worth of balls? 10 drops? 2 drops? A high percentage of his overall catch total? Or just some nebulous feeling that you have?

I am not jumping into this debate. I do not have a drop number. Thru the season he was targeted 13 times and caught 6 passes.

The Pencil Neck 04-17-2013 06:26 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kingtexan (Post 2152242)
I didn't think he dropped that many.

I was more worried about K-Mart's drops but I haven't looked at actual targets, catches, drops for them.

I didn't think Jean got enough targets to be able to drop a ton. Half a ton? Quarter of a ton? Maybe, but not a whole ton.

infantrycak 04-17-2013 06:38 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 2152264)
I was more worried about K-Mart's drops but I haven't looked at actual targets, catches, drops for them.

I didn't think Jean got enough targets to be able to drop a ton. Half a ton? Quarter of a ton? Maybe, but not a whole ton.

K-Mart was targeted 27 times and caught 10.

76Texan 04-17-2013 07:04 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2152268)
K-Mart was targeted 27 times and caught 10.

Martin was the guy who had too many drops (4).
You can find the stats at Stats LLC.
Out of 14 catchable balls, that was way too many; and it did not even include the one time I remember he slipped and the DB intercepted the ball.

Jean only dropped one ball, but he had fewer targets. His drop percentage was nearly 15% if I calculate it correctly; that's about 3 times more than AJ's usual number. The thing with Jean is that he couldn't finish or extend the route or get in and out of his breaks sharply enough to get the needed seperation.

steelbtexan 04-17-2013 07:17 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Jean/Martin are JAGS as WR's. Martin has some value as a KR/PR and a 4-5th WR.

They need to spend atleast 2 draft picks on WR's. Preferably on early (!st/2nd Rd.) and one late. (5-7th Rd.)

SteveSlaton20 04-17-2013 07:52 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
no way we cut Jean unless Posey is healthy by the time the season starts and if we draft two more WRs.

infantrycak 04-17-2013 08:01 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2152278)
Martin was the guy who had too many drops (4).
You can find the stats at Stats LLC.
Out of 14 catchable balls, that was way too many

I am well aware of stats inc. but sorry I do not believe only 52% of the balls thrown to Martin were catchable. Seriously, catchable? We're talking about a QB who COMPLETES 65+% and for whatever reason he can't throw catchable balls to Martin. The guy has bad hands. I'm not saying give up on him but he sure as hell needs to be working with the Juggs machine.

Texan_Bill 04-17-2013 08:03 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2152214)
Yea, but Lestar also dropped a ton of balls, including quite a few in third and longs.

Jacoby Jones?

Texan_Bill 04-17-2013 08:09 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2152307)
I am well aware of stats inc. but sorry I do not believe only 52% of the balls thrown to Martin were catchable. Seriously, catchable? We're talking about a QB who COMPLETES 65+% and for whatever reason he can't throw catchable balls to Martin. The guy has bad hands. I'm not saying give up on him but he sure as hell needs to be working with the Juggs machine.

Well, that begs an interesting question:

A) How is it that a QB has an "X" completion rate

versus:

B) A receiver's completion rate??

The former is much higher than the latter, but why?

Lack of trust? Lack of continuity?? (etc.)




Genuinely an interesting discussion.

Texan_Bill 04-17-2013 08:11 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
I know this..............


3rd and 5, late in a playoff game I'm throwing the ball AJ's way. An interception has better chance of working out the Texans way, WAAAAY better than throwing the ball out of bounds.

Just sayin'!

76Texan 04-17-2013 08:28 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2152307)
I am well aware of stats inc. but sorry I do not believe only 52% of the balls thrown to Martin were catchable. Seriously, catchable? We're talking about a QB who COMPLETES 65+% and for whatever reason he can't throw catchable balls to Martin. The guy has bad hands. I'm not saying give up on him but he sure as hell needs to be working with the Juggs machine.

The sample is too small, it could happen.

The thing is though, drop is not something Martin did in college.
I remember, tallying the count in one of the film study thread, and he had only one in some ten games I watched (and that included all the returns, too).

Looks like he lost some confidence after one of the drops; I don't remember which one, but I remember distinctly that he looked really dejected on the bench. He's just have got to bounce back from it.

76Texan 04-17-2013 08:43 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 2152316)
Well, that begs an interesting question:

A) How is it that a QB has an "X" completion rate

versus:

B) A receiver's completion rate??

The former is much higher than the latter, but why?

Lack of trust? Lack of continuity?? (etc.)

Even when the Qb gets pressured and the pass went astray (when Schaub threw the ball at Foster's feet on a screen pass for example), it was still charted as a target to Foster.

silvrhand 04-17-2013 08:51 PM

Re: Step it up, Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2152307)
I am well aware of stats inc. but sorry I do not believe only 52% of the balls thrown to Martin were catchable. Seriously, catchable? We're talking about a QB who COMPLETES 65+% and for whatever reason he can't throw catchable balls to Martin. The guy has bad hands. I'm not saying give up on him but he sure as hell needs to be working with the Juggs machine.

I thought you weren't jumping into this debate lol :)


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