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mussop 03-27-2013 07:44 PM

Sleepers
 
Here are a couple DT's worth checking out.

There are also a couple of rising small school DTs in Jared Smith of New Hampshire and Samfordís Nick Williams, although they took different roads to the party. Smith is a 3-year starter at UNH who had 12.5 career sacks and 26 total career tackles for loss; he also blocked 5 kicks in his career including three last fall. Williams, on the other and, is another late bloomer who didnít play football until his senior year in high school and didnít start for D1AA Samford until his 4th year on campus. He blossomed in 2012 though when he had 6 sacks coming up the middle. Both guys also solidified their claim to be legitimate late-round sleepers with impressive performances at the combine in February. Williams, in particular, measured in at a full-sized 6-4, 310 with long arms and big hands, and then went out and an a quick 4.94 40, which was just a couple of 100s behnd Sharrif Floydís pace-setting times for DTs. Williams, though, was actually even quicker over 10 yards (1.63 seconds to 1.68) than Floyd. Williams also posted a solid 28 reps in the bench press. Smith isnĎt quite as big at 6-3, 302, and was a tad slower with a 5.08 40 clocking, but that too was among the leaders at the position at the combine. Smth, though, was very quick in the agility drills posting the second fastest time among DTs in the 3-cone drill and the fastest in the short shuttle that was actually the 6th fastest time among all defensive linemen including the DEs.

Gbn

rmartin65 03-31-2013 04:41 PM

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Paul Worrilow, ILB, Delaware

I have not paid as much attention to small school prospects (hell, the draft in general) much this year, but this kid looks like a player.

76Texan 04-01-2013 12:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rmartin65 (Post 2145867)
Paul Worrilow, ILB, Delaware

I have not paid as much attention to small school prospects (hell, the draft in general) much this year, but this kid looks like a player.

Guy tested really well, didn't he?
I have concern though regarding his highlights.
He was free to go quite often; it's difficult to tell how he will perform with trash around him.

That brought me back to Burdette; he pulled a hamstring on the first forty at his pro day so we can't gauge his ability based on the work-out.
Dunno how much it will affect his draft stock. Will he become an UDFA?

Man, his game tapes look fantastic.
This is a guy I wanted with an extra "6th" round compensatory pick that we thought we had.

mussop 04-02-2013 02:26 AM

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OT J.C. TRETTER CORNEL IVY LEAGUE

This guy has late texans pick written all over him.


OTREID FRAGEL OHIO ST. As does this guy.

76Texan 04-02-2013 10:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2146528)
OT J.C. TRETTER CORNEL IVY LEAGUE

This guy has late texans pick written all over him.


OTREID FRAGEL OHIO ST. As does this guy.

These guys look interesting.

Playoffs 04-02-2013 10:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2146528)
OTREID FRAGEL OHIO ST. As does this guy.

1. Reid Fragel, OT, Ohio State, Senior (6075, 308 and 5.13): A former tight end, Fragel made big strides as an offensive tackle in 2012 and is climbing up draft boards because of his potential. Few offensive tackle prospects in this yearís Draft possess Fragelís height, long arms, feet and overall athleticism. Evaluators have been impressed with his ability to kick slide out to protect the corner while maintaining good base so that he can re-direct and adjust to different pass rush moves. While his draft stock is no doubt rising, the concern that has been voiced to us is that his playing strength needs to greatly improve. For a 300+ pounder he gets driven backwards by bull rushers and struggles to consistently get movement on in-line run blocks. The hope is that he can improve his strength, but teams are always concerned when a player is already 300+ pounds and played at a program, like Ohio State, that has an outstanding strength and conditioning program and still struggles with playing strength. Right now Fragel has moved up into fourth round consideration and could be a surprise late in the third round.

srrono 04-02-2013 10:32 AM

Re: Sleepers
 
Full list of sleepers

76Texan 04-02-2013 10:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2146621)
1. Reid Fragel, OT, Ohio State, Senior (6075, 308 and 5.13): A former tight end, Fragel made big strides as an offensive tackle in 2012 and is climbing up draft boards because of his potential. Few offensive tackle prospects in this yearís Draft possess Fragelís height, long arms, feet and overall athleticism. Evaluators have been impressed with his ability to kick slide out to protect the corner while maintaining good base so that he can re-direct and adjust to different pass rush moves. While his draft stock is no doubt rising, the concern that has been voiced to us is that his playing strength needs to greatly improve. For a 300+ pounder he gets driven backwards by bull rushers and struggles to consistently get movement on in-line run blocks. The hope is that he can improve his strength, but teams are always concerned when a player is already 300+ pounds and played at a program, like Ohio State, that has an outstanding strength and conditioning program and still struggles with playing strength. Right now Fragel has moved up into fourth round consideration and could be a surprise late in the third round.

He just woke up? LOL.

rmartin65 04-07-2013 05:17 PM

Re: Sleepers
 
Lawrence Okoye is certainly making some noise.

steelbtexan 04-07-2013 05:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2146621)
1. Reid Fragel, OT, Ohio State, Senior (6075, 308 and 5.13): A former tight end, Fragel made big strides as an offensive tackle in 2012 and is climbing up draft boards because of his potential. Few offensive tackle prospects in this yearís Draft possess Fragelís height, long arms, feet and overall athleticism. Evaluators have been impressed with his ability to kick slide out to protect the corner while maintaining good base so that he can re-direct and adjust to different pass rush moves. While his draft stock is no doubt rising, the concern that has been voiced to us is that his playing strength needs to greatly improve. For a 300+ pounder he gets driven backwards by bull rushers and struggles to consistently get movement on in-line run blocks. The hope is that he can improve his strength, but teams are always concerned when a player is already 300+ pounds and played at a program, like Ohio State, that has an outstanding strength and conditioning program and still struggles with playing strength. Right now Fragel has moved up into fourth round consideration and could be a surprise late in the third round.

I know the bench press isn't the be all end all for strength, but Fragel led all OT's in BP at the combine. So I would hardly call him weak.

beerlover 04-07-2013 06:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2148670)
I know the bench press isn't the be all end all for strength, but Fragel led all OT's in BP at the combine. So I would hardly call him weak.

How long are his arms?

steelbtexan 04-07-2013 09:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 2148673)
How long are his arms?

33 in.

Also 33 reps.

badboy 04-07-2013 09:11 PM

Re: Sleepers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2146621)
1. Reid Fragel, OT, Ohio State, Senior (6075, 308 and 5.13): A former tight end, Fragel made big strides as an offensive tackle in 2012 and is climbing up draft boards because of his potential. Few offensive tackle prospects in this yearís Draft possess Fragelís height, long arms, feet and overall athleticism. Evaluators have been impressed with his ability to kick slide out to protect the corner while maintaining good base so that he can re-direct and adjust to different pass rush moves. While his draft stock is no doubt rising, the concern that has been voiced to us is that his playing strength needs to greatly improve. For a 300+ pounder he gets driven backwards by bull rushers and struggles to consistently get movement on in-line run blocks. The hope is that he can improve his strength, but teams are always concerned when a player is already 300+ pounds and played at a program, like Ohio State, that has an outstanding strength and conditioning program and still struggles with playing strength. Right now Fragel has moved up into fourth round consideration and could be a surprise late in the third round.

I could see signing a vet FA for one season while we coach up a guy like this or maybe Gardner will be the backup. I want to see how he and Mondek does during TC.

76Texan 04-16-2013 09:14 AM

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Armonty Bryant, DE/OLB.
If not for character concern (I think he was busted for weed), this guy could be drafted. Worth at least a 6th, probably higher.

Outstanding first step and burst and a great motor.
Could be a 5-tech or a 34 OLB.

Has starter material. Probably one of the biggest, or perhaps the biggest sleeper in this draft.

mussop 04-16-2013 10:50 AM

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I've got a guy I really like but don't want to name him until the TT mock is over with. He is my next pick. :lion: I've been sitting on this guy for awhile and really like him. I keep checking back here holding my breath to see if anyone lists him.

mussop 04-16-2013 10:59 AM

Re: Sleepers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2151632)
Armonty Bryant, DE/OLB.
If not for character concern (I think he was busted for weed), this guy could be drafted. Worth at least a 6th, probably higher.

Outstanding first step and burst and a great motor.
Could be a 5-tech or a 34 OLB.

Has starter material. Probably one of the biggest, or perhaps the biggest sleeper in this draft.

His highlights are like watching Clowny's high school highlights. But I have a bigger sleeper. :)

76Texan 04-16-2013 01:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2151675)
His highlights are like watching Clowny's high school highlights. But I have a bigger sleeper. :)

A receiver?

76Texan 04-20-2013 01:52 PM

Re: Sleepers
 
Eric Martin OLB, Nebraska.
A tweener that tested well and has excellent production to back it up.

16.5 TFLs (including 8.5 sacks), 12 QBHs, 2 FFs, 1 PBU in the Big 10 that boasts a good number of OTs.
You're not going to find much better production than that yet you don't see him appear in any mock draft on this board.

Look at the impressive results from his pro day:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

amazing80 04-25-2013 06:23 AM

Re: Sleepers
 
My favorite rb of this class (especially for Houston) is Mike James.

76Texan 04-25-2013 07:25 AM

Re: Sleepers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amazing80 (Post 2155337)
My favorite rb of this class (especially for Houston) is Mike James.

He's one of the RBs I think the Texans should either draft late or bring in as an UDFA.


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