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CloakNNNdagger 03-19-2013 01:48 PM

Recovering Texans
 
We now know what Newton's surgery was.



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John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL

Kubiak said ILB Brian Cushing (ACL) and WR DeVier Posey (Achilles tendon) won't participate in OTAs. Cushing should be ready for camp.

2h John McClain John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL

Kubiak said there are questions about RT Derek Newton, recovering from patellar tendon surgery, being able to participate in OTAs.


2h John McClain John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL

Vinny 03-19-2013 01:49 PM

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Texans | Believe DeVier Posey could be mid-season addition

Houston Texans head coach Gary Kubiak said believes WR DeVier Posey (Achilles') could return during the middle of the 2013 NFL season.

https://twitter.com/TexansTalk/statu...84860186734592

Vinny 03-19-2013 01:54 PM

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Kubiak on the health of the offensive line:

“That’s a concern. If Newton’s going to miss a portion of the offseason. If we started OTAs today (Andrew) Gardner would line up opposite Duane. It’s something we’ve got to continue to look at. Ryan Harris (RT who’s a UFA) played well for us last season, so there’s a possibility we could have him back on our team. We believe in Newton. If he can progress off what he did last season, he’s on his way to being a good player.”
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...-and-injuries/

Playoffs 03-19-2013 02:04 PM

Re: Recovering Texans
 
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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2139357)
We now know what Newton's surgery was.
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RT Derek Newton, recovering from patellar tendon surgery

So Doc, quick rundown on how serious that is & what the recovery & longer term ramifications are? When you have the time. :)

badboy 03-19-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny (Post 2139365)

We believe in Newton. If he can progress off what he did last season, he’s on his way to being a good player.”

This is what I have been saying about Derek. Most of our problem came from RG not RT. If Newton had not been injured or was 100% by preseason, I think Gary would go with Gardner as the backup swing. I think Harris is a possible re-sign but he needs to step up if his back allows him. This should allow those mocking an OT in top 3 rounds to go different direction.

CloakNNNdagger 03-19-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2139372)
So Doc, quick rundown on how serious that is & what the recovery & longer term ramifications are? When you have the time. :)

Newton must have had a problem with the knee for sometime. He was out for game 13 and 14 with a “knee.” Looking at this with today’s information, Newton had an inflammation of the patellar tendon (chronic patellar tendonitis) with possible small tendon tears already at that time and evidently tried to play through it until he no longer could. He was treated conservatively with rest.......2 weeks is very short to expect this type of problem to resolve. When the knee pain became “manageable” again, since the Texans were down to almost nothing with the T position, he was evidently put out there again to try to finish out the year. He did. But evidently in doing so, developed major tears from the continued inflammation and weakening of the continually traumatized tendon. Such a case would no longer be appropriate for conservative management, and especially in an NFL player would require surgical repair in order to return and remain on the field with any semblance of production.

A study published in the American Journal of Sports Medicine in November. 2011 Patellar tendon ruptures in National Football League players reveal some potentially important trends.

*Twenty-four ruptures of the patellar tendon in 22 National Football League (NFL) players were identified from 1994 through 2004. Team physicians retrospectively reviewed training room and clinic records, operative notes, and imaging studies for each of these players. Player game statistics and draft status were analyzed to identify return to play predictors. A successful outcome was defined as participating in 1 regular-season NFL game.

*Eleven of the 24 injuries had antecedent symptoms.

*Three of the 24 cases had a concomitant anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury.

*In 19 of the 24 injuries, the player returned to participate in at least 1 game in the NFL.

*Players who returned were drafted, on average, in the fourth round, while those who failed to return to play were drafted, on average, in the sixth round.

*Of those players who returned to play, the average number of games played was 45.4, with a range of 1 to 142 games.

*Professional football players with isolated rupture of the patellar tendon treated with TIMELY surgical repair will return to their sport.

*It should be known that in general, patients who require this type of surgery do better if the repair is performed early after the injury. Early repair may prevent the tendon from scarring and tightening in a shortened position, leading to compromised return of knee flexion and/or quadriceps strength.

pec0sb0b 03-19-2013 02:57 PM

Re: Recovering Texans
 
Still think it's been a mistake to go the low-budget route at right tackle. A seventh round pick and a UDFA...on a team that makes so much money running the ball...c'mon man. Sometimes even in the NFL you get what you pay for.

badboy 03-19-2013 03:02 PM

Re: Recovering Texans
 
Any idea why surgery was delayed after season was over?

GP 03-19-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pec0sb0b (Post 2139427)
Still think it's been a mistake to go the low-budget route at right tackle. A seventh round pick and a UDFA...on a team that makes so much money running the ball...c'mon man. Sometimes even in the NFL you get what you pay for.

Looks that way, for sure.

Hard to keep the shelves stocked, though, when you draft around 6 or 7 players every draft....yet you've got 11 starters on offense and 11 on defense.

Takes around 4 years of drafts to create an 11-man offense and an 11-man defense....if you started from scratch and used only a standard NFL draft, counting one guy per round over tje course of a 7-round draft. 7 players multiplied by 3 years = 21 players, one shy of a full O and full D.

And that's just for 22 starters. Still need 31 more 2nd stringers etc.

The logistics of fielding a truly GREAT team in the NFL is crazy.

badboy 03-19-2013 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pec0sb0b (Post 2139427)
Still think it's been a mistake to go the low-budget route at right tackle. A seventh round pick and a UDFA...on a team that makes so much money running the ball...c'mon man. Sometimes even in the NFL you get what you pay for.

You are aware that Newton statistically compared favorably with Duane Brown? Don't focus on where player was drafted or signed (udfa) but how they played. Harris has skills and should be much healthier by game one.

Vinny 03-19-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2139452)
You are aware that Newton statistically compared favorably with Duane Brown? Don't focus on where player was drafted or signed (udfa) but how they played. Harris has skills and should be much healthier by game one.

you can't tell how good a tackle is based on a stat line.

badboy 03-19-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny (Post 2139455)
you can't tell how good a tackle is based on a stat line.

uh that's why I posted watch how they play. Brown had a good vet to split time with him and teach him, Newton did not and does not. Not saying he is as good or better but stats are important. Not everything but sacks allowed and runs to that player's side are valuable pieces of info or the team would not keep them.

Dutchrudder 03-19-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2139452)
You are aware that Newton statistically compared favorably with Duane Brown? Don't focus on where player was drafted or signed (udfa) but how they played. Harris has skills and should be much healthier by game one.

Harris isn't currently on the team. Latest I heard on him:

@NickScurfield
Kubiak said #Texans “still very interested in” FA T Ryan Harris, & "there’s an opportunity for (Tim) Dobbins hopefully to come back."

CloakNNNdagger 03-19-2013 03:37 PM

Re: Recovering Texans
 
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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2139434)
Any idea why surgery was delayed after season was over?

Most likely to try to allow some of the inflammatory tissue changes from the continued trauma to decrease in the knee.

Playoffs 03-19-2013 03:38 PM

Re: Recovering Texans
 
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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2139426)
Newton must have had a problem with the knee for sometime...

As always, MSR Doc. Thanks. :tiphat:

eriadoc 03-19-2013 03:39 PM

Re: Recovering Texans
 
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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2139372)
So Doc, quick rundown on how serious that is & what the recovery & longer term ramifications are?

*not a doc*

I have had problems with my patellar tendon for years (jumper's knee). I can tell you from experience that it's very hard to get any real push. It's also very difficult to bend your knees properly, which leads to improper posture and off balance, which is obviously bad for a tackle. For his to be bad enough to warrant surgery, that's a helluva task to play with it.

Dutchrudder 03-19-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eriaDOC (Post 2139465)
*not a doc*

I have had problems with my patellar tendon for years (jumper's knee). I can tell you from experience that it's very hard to get any real push. It's also very difficult to bend your knees properly, which leads to improper posture and off balance, which is obviously bad for a tackle. For his to be bad enough to warrant surgery, that's a helluva task to play with it.

http://i.imgur.com/Ck6cp.jpg

ChampionTexan 03-19-2013 03:59 PM

Re: Recovering Texans
 
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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2139434)
Any idea why surgery was delayed after season was over?

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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2139462)
Most likely to try to allow some of the inflammatory tissue changes from the continued trauma to decrease in the knee.

Does anyone really know exactly when the surgery took place?

The first thing I saw regarding the surgery was a report dated 3/7 indicating it had happened "In February". That could be anywhere from 4 weeks to 8 weeks after the season was over. 8 weeks would definitely make you question it - 4 weeks not so much.

badboy 03-19-2013 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 2139460)
Harris isn't currently on the team. Latest I heard on him:

@NickScurfield
Kubiak said #Texans “still very interested in” FA T Ryan Harris, & "there’s an opportunity for (Tim) Dobbins hopefully to come back."

As I noted in post 5 possible re-sign.

badboy 03-19-2013 04:18 PM

Re: Recovering Texans
 
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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2139462)
Most likely to try to allow some of the inflammatory tissue changes from the continued trauma to decrease in the knee.

From a medical standpoint, is this type of thing a danger to player's career or is it something that if he plays on it, the new damage if any will be correctable by surgery in most cases (not looking at Newton only but all?


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