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srrono 03-16-2013 08:19 PM

HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=10892

Texans, Ravens, Lions, and Patriots have been linked to Dumervil.

the wonger need food 03-16-2013 08:28 PM

Re: HOU intrested in Dumervil
 
Where have these reports surfaced? If that can't afford to give Reed $6M they won't be able to give Elvis the $10M+ he'll likely be looking for.

CloakNNNdagger 03-16-2013 08:30 PM

Re: HOU intrested in Dumervil
 
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Originally Posted by the wonger need food (Post 2137800)
Where have these reports surfaced? If that can't afford to give Reed $6M they won't be able to give Elvis the $10M+ he'll likely be looking for.

I'm interested in Dumervil........but I can't afford him either.:)

Uncle Rico 03-16-2013 08:33 PM

Re: HOU intrested in Dumervil
 
If Smith could somehow convince both Dumerville and Reed to sign on the dotted lines it do much towards some people believing in his ability. This is a scenario that would legitimize the seriousness of this front office in noticing the window and pulling the trigger.

No one expects it, other GM's among last years playoff teams are making their squads noticeably better and making HUGE splashes - this is Smith's chance to show he belongs.

These two guys on a defense with Watt,JJo,KJax and Cush is downright nasty.

I dont care how much of Bobby Mac's money gets spent on a "luxury tax" (scary) if it brings a motherlovin' Lombardi trophy to this city. Show us you mean buisness, you guys have made a killing with this team in the 10 years you have had it, spend a little. Whatever the luxury tax is if anyone can afford it, Robert McNair can. Sixth (or so) most valuable franchise in ALL OF SPORTS according to Forbe's isnt it?

Nawzer 03-16-2013 08:35 PM

Re: HOU intrested in Dumervil
 
Not going to happen.

Uncle Rico 03-16-2013 08:37 PM

Re: HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
After my rant, I'd like to ask someone who understands the cap more than me to explain the ramifications of going over it. I've heard 'hard cap' which i thought meant 'cant go over it' and then some people say that Dallas and WAshington are paying luxury taxes for going over the said 'hard cap'. Im a little confused. If YOU CAN go over a cap I think the Texans should for at least this year with whats available right this minute.

Texanmike02 03-16-2013 08:38 PM

Re: HOU intrested in Dumervil
 
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Originally Posted by Uncle Rico (Post 2137804)
If Smith could somehow convince both Dumerville and Reed to sign on the dotted lines it do much towards some people believing in his ability. This is a scenario that would legitimize the seriousness of this front office in noticing the window and pulling the trigger.

No one expects it, other GM's among last years playoff teams are making their squads noticeably better and making HUGE splashes - this is Smith's chance to show he belongs.

These two guys on a defense with Watt,JJo,KJax and Cush is downright nasty.

I dont care how much of Bobby Mac's money gets spent on a "luxury tax" (scary) if it brings a motherlovin' Lombardi trophy to this city. Show us you mean buisness, you guys have made a killing with this team in the 10 years you have had it, spend a little. Whatever the luxury tax is if anyone can afford it, Robert McNair can. Sixth (or so) most valuable franchise in ALL OF SPORTS according to Forbe's isnt it?

You know, that sounds nice but this team got remarkably better and only added two "splashes". Prior to JJoe Smith was the biggest FA we had ever signed. Draft well, keep drafting well and get RID of your players when their prices extend beyond their usefulness. See the Pats and Pitt.

Mike

infantrycak 03-16-2013 08:40 PM

Re: HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Rico (Post 2137808)
After my rant, I'd like to ask someone who understands the cap more than me to explain the ramifications of going over it. I've heard 'hard cap' which i thought meant 'cant go over it' and then some people say that Dallas and WAshington are paying luxury taxes for going over the said 'hard cap'. Im a little confused. If YOU CAN go over a cap I think the Texans should for at least this year with whats available right this minute.

That was a one time deal in the "uncapped year." Ordinarily the NFL has a hard cap. Dutchrudder can explain it in full detail (he has recently so you might search his posts) but it wasn't a luxury tax so much as a penalty.

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food (Post 2137800)
Where have these reports surfaced? If that can't afford to give Reed $6M they won't be able to give Elvis the $10M+ he'll likely be looking for.

Nobody has said the Texans can't afford to give Reed $6 mil. In addition folks continue to confuse average over the life of a contract with cap hit. Miami has signed like 7 players to over $120 mil in contracts and only $12.5 or so will be on this year's cap. Contracts almost never hit the cap evenly according to the average.

Also the highest paid pass rusher this year has gotten a contract averaging $7.5 mil.

the wonger need food 03-16-2013 08:44 PM

Re: HOU intrested in Dumervil
 
Appreciate the passion, but there's a little thing called the Salary Cap and no such thing as a luxury tax. Dallas and Washington were essentially fined for not colluding with the other owners during the "uncapped" season. The salary cap is essentially a hard number that salaries must remain under.

Uncle Rico 03-16-2013 08:49 PM

Re: HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
Okay. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

Depresses me more about Rick Smith's ability. Thanks!

the wonger need food 03-16-2013 08:51 PM

Re: HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
Yeah, I think we all have a rough understanding of cap numbers v. actual dollars a player is paid. My point was more a statement to the Texans reluctance to pay anyone at this point. I'm sure there's a plan in place but it seems like they're content with filling the holes with rookies and maybe some vet minimum guys.

texan279 03-16-2013 08:54 PM

Re: HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
"Elvis Dumervil is free to test the market, shop around and try finding a team that will make a better multi-year commitment to him than the Denver Broncos were proposing before they cut him.

But Dumervil would prefer to skip all of that and return to the team that drafted him."



"The person, who spoke to USA TODAY Sports on condition of anonymity because Dumervil hasn't publicly spoken about his release, said Dumervil's firing his agent, Marty Magid, on Saturday was motivated by his desire to patch up the situation with the Broncos."



http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...oncos/1993441/

the wonger need food 03-16-2013 08:55 PM

Re: HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
It's not all bad... they have essentially zero dead money against the cap this year.

And Chris Olsen negotiates the contracts so he would deserve most of the blame with regards to how certain contracts are structured. I do believe that Smith is overrated as a GM however. 2 playoff wins in 7 seasons is nothing to get excited about unless you're a Cowboy fan.

GP 03-16-2013 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food (Post 2137813)
Appreciate the passion, but there's a little thing called the Salary Cap and no such thing as a luxury tax. Dallas and Washington were essentially fined for not colluding with the other owners during the "uncapped" season. The salary cap is essentially a hard number that salaries must remain under.

Those two teams also forfeited a variety of draft picks...not just a monetary fine, IIRC.

This FO can ask guys to re-structure. They might get Reed or Dumerville, but I don't see them able to get both of them.

leebigeztx 03-16-2013 08:57 PM

Re: HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
He was willing to do basically 1yr for 8m with denver. The texans could offer a deal that avg 7m,but with more g-money. 5yr 35m with 17m g. They could give him 3.5m bonus this yr and a 2m salary. The rest would be in incentives. They could then cut antonio smith and his 6.5m salary.

The Pencil Neck 03-16-2013 08:58 PM

Re: HOU intrested in Dumervil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the wonger need food (Post 2137813)
Appreciate the passion, but there's a little thing called the Salary Cap and no such thing as a luxury tax. Dallas and Washington were essentially fined for not colluding with the other owners during the "uncapped" season. The salary cap is essentially a hard number that salaries must remain under.

That's all well and good but if the front office is creative and if other players are willing, they could make it happen. There are all sorts of ways to structure deals and restructure deals to make things happen and stay under the cap.

People act like we're in some sort of cap hell and we're not. We're in more of a cap limbo. There are lots of teams in worse position than we are.

I seriously doubt there's any way that Dumervil is going to come here. But I expect our FO to at least explore the possibility. And if they're good and if Dumervil is interested, they'll find a way to make it happen.

Too bad Dumervil didn't go to the U.

the wonger need food 03-16-2013 09:04 PM

Re: HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leebigeztx (Post 2137821)
He was willing to do basically 1yr for 8m with denver. The texans could offer a deal that avg 7m,but with more g-money. 5yr 35m with 17m g. They could give him 3.5m bonus this yr and a 2m salary. The rest would be in incentives. They could then cut antonio smith and his 6.5m salary.

I think Antonio's cap number is close to $10M this year and cutting him isn't really an option. Maybe restructure/extend him for 2 years?

leebigeztx 03-16-2013 09:11 PM

Re: HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the wonger need food (Post 2137826)
I think Antonio's cap number is close to $10M this year and cutting him isn't really an option. Maybe restructure/extend him for 2 years?

They could cut antonio and save 4.5m. His salary is 6+m. And his bonus is like 2.75m. They would have the bonus as dead money for 2 yrs unless he's in the last yr. His salary is non guaranteed.

I

infantrycak 03-16-2013 09:14 PM

Re: HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the wonger need food (Post 2137826)
I think Antonio's cap number is close to $10M this year and cutting him isn't really an option. Maybe restructure/extend him for 2 years?

Antonio's cap is $9.5. This is the last year of his contract and he could be cut with 6 mil in savings and $3.5 in dead money. Better would be to extend him 2 years with something like:

$1 mil, $3 mil and $4 mil in base salaries with an $8.5 mil signing bonus, i.e. he gets everything promised this year and an extension.

His cap hit would go to $3.83 for a savings of almost 6 mil. Same savings as cutting him and keep the player.

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Originally Posted by leebigeztx (Post 2137831)
They could cut antonio and save 4.5m. His salary is 6+m. And his bonus is like 2.75m. They would have the bonus as dead money for 2 yrs unless he's in the last yr. His salary is non guaranteed.

Please see above. You clearly just don't like Smith wanting to cut him in every thread. My proposal makes much more sense for the team.

CloakNNNdagger 03-16-2013 09:16 PM

Re: HOU intrested in FA OLB Dumervil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Rico (Post 2137808)
After my rant, I'd like to ask someone who understands the cap more than me to explain the ramifications of going over it. I've heard 'hard cap' which i thought meant 'cant go over it' and then some people say that Dallas and WAshington are paying luxury taxes for going over the said 'hard cap'. Im a little confused. If YOU CAN go over a cap I think the Texans should for at least this year with whats available right this minute.



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So...what happens if a team goes over the Salary Cap?

Answer: The short answer is simply that NO team CAN go over the Salary Cap. Note that every contract must go through the NFL League Office before the deal can be made official. Presumably, one of the things the league must do at this time is determine whether or not the contract would violate the NFL's Salary Cap. If the deal does violate the cap, then the NFL will reject it.

If a team releases or trades a player and the signing bonus acceleration puts a team over the Salary Cap, the team will have seven days to conform with the Salary Cap. However, they may not sign any players until there is room to do so under the Salary Cap.

There have been instances in which a team has managed to sneak a cap evading contract by the league. Upon further review, the violations were caught by the league and the respective teams were penalized. Penalties include fines and/or forfeiture of draft picks. In recent history both the Pittsburgh Steelers and San Francisco 49ers have been penalized draft picks, while the 49ers' front office personnel (Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark) were also fined.
http://www.askthecommish.com/SalaryCap/faq.aspx


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