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mussop 03-07-2013 05:58 PM

Who would you trade up for?
 
For me there are only a few players that I would trade up for. I'm keeping my eye on NO's pick at 15. They don't have a second round pick and they are switching to a 3/4 this year. They need more picks to get that defense in order.

If any of these guys were available at 15 I would not hesitate to trade up. To move from 27 to 15 would take 27 and our second rounder at least. Still I beleive any of these guys are worth the cost.

Jarvis Jones LB Georgia (if we lose Barwin)
Dion Jordan DE Oregon (if we lose Barwin)
Star Lotulelei DT Utah (if medical checks out)
Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri

If any of these guys were available I would seriously consider trading up.

Chance Warmack OG Alabama
Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina

Of course there are a lot of holes I would like to see filled but I really beleive these guys could make an immediate impact. Jones and Jordan are obviously contingent on us losing Barwin. Drafting either of those would allow us to move Reed inside.

I know most would prefer a trade back for more picks. I'm leaning that way too. However, why not discuss all possibilities? So who could fall that you would trade up for? Where are you drawing the line to get them (cost)?

Playoffs 03-07-2013 06:07 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
While I'd like to get one of Cooper/Johnson, I think from #5 to #25 rated players is a pretty flatlined talent gap -- so I don't think it pays to trade up.

mussop 03-07-2013 06:21 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2132682)
While I'd like to get one of Cooper/Johnson, I think from #5 to #25 rated players is a pretty flatlined talent gap -- so I don't think it pays to trade up.

Ok so we pick 27. That's two spots past where you believe the talent droppoff is. So even if the talent level below that is flatlined, it's still better than where we are picking and consider that a player that really fits a need is available and the talent at his position really falls off after him. You can't even discuss trading up?

Playoffs 03-07-2013 06:25 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2132693)
Ok so we pick 27. That's two spots past where you believe the talent droppoff is. So even if the talent level below that is flatlined, it's still better than where we are picking and consider that a player that really fits a need is available and the talent at his position really falls off after him. You can't even discuss trading up?

My pencil is a lot thicker than that. ;)

mussop 03-07-2013 06:28 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2132694)
My pencil is a lot thicker than that. ;)

I don't know what that means. :confused:

steelbtexan 03-07-2013 06:34 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2132676)
For me there are only a few players that I would trade up for. I'm keeping my eye on NO's pick at 15. They don't have a second round pick and they are switching to a 3/4 this year. They need more picks to get that defense in order.

If any of these guys were available at 15 I would not hesitate to trade up. To move from 27 to 15 would take 27 and our second rounder at least. Still I beleive any of these guys are worth the cost.

Jarvis Jones LB Georgia (if we lose Barwin)
Dion Jordan DE Oregon (if we lose Barwin)
Star Lotulelei DT Utah (if medical checks out)
Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri

If any of these guys were available I would seriously consider trading up.

Chance Warmack OG Alabama
Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina

Of course there are a lot of holes I would like to see filled but I really beleive these guys could make an immediate impact. Jones and Jordan are obviously contingent on us losing Barwin. Drafting either of those would allow us to move Reed inside.

I know most would prefer a trade back for more picks. I'm leaning that way too. However, why not discuss all possibilities? So who could fall that you would trade up for? Where are you drawing the line to get them (cost)?

Great list

Jordan or Jones, but they would have to fall to the 14-17 range and that is doubtful.

mussop 03-07-2013 07:03 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
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Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2132698)
Great list

Jordan or Jones, but they would have to fall to the 14-17 range and that is doubtful.

I totally agree it's unlikely they fall that far but if they did would you trade up for them?

steelbtexan 03-07-2013 07:10 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2132705)
I totally agree it's unlikely they fall that far but if they did would you trade up for them?

In a heartbeat, both of these guys have amazing 1st steps. Although the defense has many holes, an elite pass rusher to go with Watt would improve the defense more than any other position that needs to be filled. Jones/Jordan have the ability to be elite players. IMHO

Remember I'm an it's time to fix the offense guy. But these guys have the kind of ability that would make me change my way of thinking.

Playoffs 03-07-2013 07:38 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2132696)
I don't know what that means. :confused:

Sorry, my post was obtuse.

I don't think there's a dropoff right after 25 -- could be 30, etc.

Playoffs 03-07-2013 07:41 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2132696)
I don't know what that means. :confused:

Sorry, my post was obtuse.

I don't think there's a dropoff right after 25 -- could be 30, etc. So I don't feel it's worth it for what I expect would be a high price.

mussop 03-07-2013 07:44 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2132716)
Sorry, my post was obtuse.

I don't think there's a dropoff right after 25 -- could be 30, etc. So I don't feel it's worth it for what I expect would be a high price.

Gotcha!

Hagar 03-07-2013 09:15 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
I don't see anybody worth trading up for in this draft. IMHO, the positions we need the most are WR, OG, ILB, OLB, in that order. While I see any great WR, like AJ, I think there's penty of depth a the position. Based on the Senior Bowl and the little bit of the college regular season I like the WR:

Texas WR Marquise Goodwin (tons of potential with his speed)
Oregon State WR Markus Wheaton (tough dude, really fights for the ball)
Marshall WR Aaron Dobson (easily the most polished WR there)

At Guard I like these guys:
Cal C Brian Schwenke
San Jose State OT David Quessenberry (My peronal favorite)
Illinois OG Hugh Thornton

If he's there, I'd love to see us take this guy:
UCLA DE Datone Jones (super fast with great moves)

coon 03-08-2013 12:09 AM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2132676)
For me there are only a few players that I would trade up for. I'm keeping my eye on NO's pick at 15. They don't have a second round pick and they are switching to a 3/4 this year. They need more picks to get that defense in order.

If any of these guys were available at 15 I would not hesitate to trade up. To move from 27 to 15 would take 27 and our second rounder at least. Still I beleive any of these guys are worth the cost.

Jarvis Jones LB Georgia (if we lose Barwin)
Dion Jordan DE Oregon (if we lose Barwin)
Star Lotulelei DT Utah (if medical checks out)
Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri

If any of these guys were available I would seriously consider trading up.

Chance Warmack OG Alabama
Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina

Of course there are a lot of holes I would like to see filled but I really beleive these guys could make an immediate impact. Jones and Jordan are obviously contingent on us losing Barwin. Drafting either of those would allow us to move Reed inside.

I know most would prefer a trade back for more picks. I'm leaning that way too. However, why not discuss all possibilities? So who could fall that you would trade up for? Where are you drawing the line to get them (cost)?

I would trade only trade up to 15 for Star,Johnson, Jordan, or Jones.

My favorite trade up would be to get in the early 20's for Keenan Allen, he is the best wide receiver in this draft and would be a great pickup for us. I hope he falls, but if he is healthy for his pro day, he should run in the 4.45 range and probably wont.

aussie_texan 03-08-2013 12:28 AM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
i would only trade up for either, lane johnson or sheldon richardson.
both players will be massive difference makers for our team in the short and long term

Wolf6151 03-08-2013 01:19 AM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Trading up really all depends on how high you have to trade up and the cost of that trade, it can get expensive. Depending on his health issues, if several doctors sign off on him I'd consider trading up for Star Lotuleile, also Sheldon Richardson, and possibly Dion Jordan. Cordarelle Patterson would be a consideration as well depending on how high to trade and the cost. If Demarcus Milliner fell for some reason I'd consider trading up, a high quality CB is never a bad pick.

Corrosion 03-08-2013 01:34 AM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Really need to see how FA plays out before I'd be able to answer that question. There are several guy's I like in each round that you might have to maneuver up for.

Some guy's in the 2nd thru 4th rounds I might take a round early or move up for at some point like Tarron Armstead , I had him as a 3rd rounder but might take him with the second rounder (may as well be a high 3rd that late). With Newton having surgery .... you have to look at OT.
I have AJ Klein as a 4th but might take him with the 3rd round comp pick just to solidify the ILB spot ....

That also depends on who else is available .... This draft could go any number of ways.

leebigeztx 03-08-2013 03:54 AM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Geno smith. If somehow he started to tumble out the top 10,I would jump to get him. I think he's a franchise qb and he doesn't have to play this year. Next yr trade schaub and you have your 10 yr starter at qb.

Vinny 03-08-2013 01:05 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leebigeztx (Post 2132808)
Geno smith. If somehow he started to tumble out the top 10,I would jump to get him. I think he's a franchise qb and he doesn't have to play this year. Next yr trade schaub and you have your 10 yr starter at qb.

knowing that 33% of his passes were completed behind the los doesn't make you go hmmmmm?

Trading up is when you are getting what you perceive as a sure bet. Trading away picks on a gamble is foolish. Smith would not be taken in the first round last year I'd bet. This doesn't strike me as the kind of draft class one would want to trade up in unless desperate.

beerlover 03-08-2013 01:53 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
I would feel more comfortable waiting until FA dust settles out & see what dire need Texans may have, which is why most NFL teams consider trading up in first place. Then they save up nickels (picks) to spend draft day.

badboy 03-08-2013 02:01 PM

Re: Who would you trade up for?
 
Too expensive to move up more than maybe two spots. Texans have held breath & waited for player to drop to them rather than moving up. Too many good players in secon or third. I think trades can leave us with three seconds, a third, and a quality fourth.


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