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drs23 03-07-2013 04:17 PM

Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
I've seen Joe Flacco's contract discussed and most not so much flattering but these guy's lay it on the line with a pretty good argument/presentation.

What you guys/gals think? I thought it was a pretty compelling argument personally.

GP 03-07-2013 04:20 PM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
That was fun for the full 10 seconds it appeared on my screen until it grayed out and prompted me to sign up or sign in. Yay.

No cookie for you. :tearup:

drs23 03-07-2013 04:24 PM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
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Originally Posted by GP (Post 2132633)
That was fun for the full 10 seconds it appeared on my screen until it grayed out and prompted me to sign up or sign in. Yay.

No cookie for you. :tearup:

Mister inpatient, 'I've got better things to do guy', just click it again and it comes up again. All crystal clear.

I WANT MY COOKIES!:whip:

GP 03-07-2013 04:39 PM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
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Originally Posted by drs23 (Post 2132635)
Mister inpatient, 'I've got better things to do guy', just click it again and it comes up again. All crystal clear.

I WANT MY COOKIES!:whip:

Me ate cookie.

Cookie go bye-bye.

You no get cookie!

LOL, I'll go check it out later on tonight. Thanks for re-sharing.

HJam72 03-07-2013 06:17 PM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
I HATE COOKIES!!!!!!!!!! :gun:

handswarmer 03-08-2013 08:05 AM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
The column is a shot in the dark- one doesn't need a made up stat to see that Flacco's regular season was different than his post-season.

Maybe its because I am a fan of the Ravens, but I cannot understand the lack of respect for Joe as a QB around the league.

Des he throw for 5000 yds? No. Does he throw for 50 touchdowns? No. Does he win? Yes.

The whole "luck" thing is pretty weak argument also; was it lucky when Montana trew a ball high in the endzone and Dwight Clark caught it? Was it luck when Rothlisberger tripped up the Colt player afer Bettis fumbled vs Indy in te playoff game? Wasit luck when Franco Harris caught the deflection for the "Immaculate Reception"?

As Sam Snead once said, "I'd rather be lucky than good"

Double Barrel 03-08-2013 10:09 AM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
Speaking of Flacco's contract...

Quote:

Tax Bite Leaves Flacco Second Best Paid in NFL

Combined Income Tax Rate Roughs the Passer's After Tax Pay

As reported this week, Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco and the Baltimore Ravens have agreed to a six-year, $120.6 million contract making the star quarterback the highest-paid player in NFL history, earning an estimated $20.1 million per year. But being the “highest paid player” and earning the most after tax pay are two very different things.

By choosing to remain a Raven, Flacco is now set to pay a combined marginal income tax rate of 51.98 percent. This overwhelming tax rate is composed of the federal, Maryland, and Baltimore County income tax rate, as well as the Medicare tax.

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Had Flacco sought a new contract with one of the teams listed above, he would have saved $1.72 million in total marginal tax liability. Flacco may have the distinction of being the highest paid player in NFL history, but New Orleans Saints’ QB Drew Brees still earns more after tax pay.

Full story

Dread-Head 03-08-2013 11:42 AM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
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Originally Posted by handswarmer (Post 2132835)
The column is a shot in the dark- one doesn't need a made up stat to see that Flacco's regular season was different than his post-season.

Maybe its because I am a fan of the Ravens, but I cannot understand the lack of respect for Joe as a QB around the league.

Des he throw for 5000 yds? No. Does he throw for 50 touchdowns? No. Did he win? Yes.

There. Fixed it for ya. Give Stevie Wonder an M-60 and point him down range and eventually he'll get a bulls eye.


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Originally Posted by hands warmer than my own
The whole "luck" thing is pretty weak argument also; was it lucky when Montana trew a ball high in the endzone and Dwight Clark caught it?

(sigh) Again, Flacco's Jersey is Purple not Red.
-His hair is dark not blond.

-His number is 5 not 16

-His name is spelled F-L-A-C-C-O and not M-O-N-T-A-N-A and is pronounced /Flah/Koh/ and not Mahn/Tah/Nah. You're not comparing "apples & oranges", you're comparing blueberries and watermelons.

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Originally Posted by Hands warm and reaching for straws
Was it luck when Rothlisberger tripped up the Colt player afer Bettis fumbled vs Indy in te playoff game? Wasit luck when Franco Harris caught the deflection for the "Immaculate Reception"?

Roethlisberger has played in THREE Superbowls and won two of those. Franco Harris played in FOUR and was on the winning team for all four. Joe Flacco has played in one and was victorious in that one. You should be PROUD of him and have every right to be, but the one win makes puts him in the same league as Doug Williams and Jim McMahon unless he lucks up a second time. I would have included Steve Young, but given Young's regular season career stats the comparison would be an eggregious insult to the Hall of Famer.



Your team was good (and incredibly lucky) and won the big one dude, but the post Superbowl jubilation (and obvious drug binge) that made your front office think that Flacco is worth more than Both Manning Brothers, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers AND Tom Brady will bite such a huge chunk out of your team's butt this upcomming season I'd be surprised if they MAKE the playoffs.

handswarmer 03-08-2013 03:20 PM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
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Originally Posted by Dread-Head (Post 2132931)
There. Fixed it for ya. Give Stevie Wonder an M-60 and point him down range and eventually he'll get a bulls eye.

(sigh) Again, Flacco's Jersey is Purple not Red.
-His hair is dark not blond.

-His number is 5 not 16

-His name is spelled F-L-A-C-C-O and not M-O-N-T-A-N-A and is pronounced /Flah/Koh/ and not Mahn/Tah/Nah. You're not comparing "apples & oranges", you're comparing blueberries and watermelons.



Roethlisberger has played in THREE Superbowls and won two of those. Franco Harris played in FOUR and was on the winning team for all four. Joe Flacco has played in one and was victorious in that one. You should be PROUD of him and have every right to be, but the one win makes puts him in the same league as Doug Williams and Jim McMahon unless he lucks up a second time. I would have included Steve Young, but given Young's regular season career stats the comparison would be an eggregious insult to the Hall of Famer.



Your team was good (and incredibly lucky) and won the big one dude, but the post Superbowl jubilation (and obvious drug binge) that made your front office think that Flacco is worth more than Both Manning Brothers, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers AND Tom Brady will bite such a huge chunk out of your team's butt this upcomming season I'd be surprised if they MAKE the playoffs.

ha ha- thats why Flacco tied Montana with 11 TDs and 0INTS; something all those other QB's didn't do...tied Brady's record for most post-season wins in a qb's first 5 years...and has the same number of SB wins as PManning, Rodgers, Brees.....I never said he was better than Montana- I made a comparison.

Its a three year deal- disregard all the pomp and circumstance about 'highest contract in league history'....all that money that Schaub is getting and he has the same amount of wins as TJ Yates in the postseason?

As far as 'my front office' goes, there is a reason Ozzie Newsome has been in his job for 18 yrs, only Jerry Jones has a longer tenure than Ozzie as GM and you see how that has worked out for JJ in Dallas, making decisions no one else wanted make. Questioning Ozzie is a cry for help....

Wolf 03-09-2013 11:14 AM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
Make or break year for the ravens draft IMO .

Birk and Lewis retired. Bouldin has been told that he will be cut if he doesn't take a pay cut. Bouldin said he would retire if he is cut. Bobbie Williams was cut.

Good new is Ed Reed said he will be back

Lots of key people to replace. The ravens will need "playoff Flacco" during the regular season more than ever. "regular season" Flacco needs to keep away from the field.

Texecutioner 03-09-2013 01:04 PM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by handswarmer (Post 2132835)
The column is a shot in the dark- one doesn't need a made up stat to see that Flacco's regular season was different than his post-season.

Maybe its because I am a fan of the Ravens, but I cannot understand the lack of respect for Joe as a QB around the league.

Des he throw for 5000 yds? No. Does he throw for 50 touchdowns? No. Does he win? Yes.

The whole "luck" thing is pretty weak argument also; was it lucky when Montana trew a ball high in the endzone and Dwight Clark caught it? Was it luck when Rothlisberger tripped up the Colt player afer Bettis fumbled vs Indy in te playoff game? Wasit luck when Franco Harris caught the deflection for the "Immaculate Reception"?

As Sam Snead once said, "I'd rather be lucky than good"


If you can't understand it, then it's out of homerism and that's all I can really give you to help you understand.

Did Flacco step his game up to the next level in the post season? Definitely.

Does one post season make him elite? Hell no. Only NFL newb fans and the classic folks that are prisoners of the moment will buy into that.

Flacco has never been a top tier QB in the NFL. Maybe his post season run was the start of big things to come and him jumping into that next tier, but as of right now one post season does not indicate that. It indicates the potential for it to happen, but that is all for now.

Flacco has been slightly above average for the most part though. No one in their right mind would have called him elite before the post season, so to even insinuate it now after 4 games of great play is pretty over the top.

This whole idea that Flacco is this great winner isn't exactly true either when he went to a winning team from the start and his team was pretty much winning in spite of Flacco for years instead of because of Flacco. Most Steeler fans laughed for years at the Ravens because they were only getting the best of them mainly because of the difference in QB's between Flacco and Big Ben.

The only reason I think you are having a hard time understanding this is because you're a die hard Ravens fan, and that 'art is pretty obvious to me.

Texecutioner 03-09-2013 01:07 PM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
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Originally Posted by handswarmer (Post 2133051)
ha ha- thats why Flacco tied Montana with 11 TDs and 0INTS; something all those other QB's didn't do...tied Brady's record for most post-season wins in a qb's first 5 years...and has the same number of SB wins as PManning, Rodgers, Brees.....I never said he was better than Montana- I made a comparison.

Its a three year deal- disregard all the pomp and circumstance about 'highest contract in league history'....all that money that Schaub is getting and he has the same amount of wins as TJ Yates in the postseason?

As far as 'my front office' goes, there is a reason Ozzie Newsome has been in his job for 18 yrs, only Jerry Jones has a longer tenure than Ozzie as GM and you see how that has worked out for JJ in Dallas, making decisions no one else wanted make. Questioning Ozzie is a cry for help....

Again, trying to use Flacco's playoff record as some sort of huge deal is one of the biggest jokes any Flacco advocate could make. The Ravens have been winning for years as an all defensive team that won in spite of their offense until this season.

Trying to use Flacco's playoff record as some sort of huge measuring stick for him is about as silly as someone trying to act like Trent Dilfer was some sort of top tier QB because he happened to play on a team that won a SB.

handswarmer 03-11-2013 08:35 AM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf (Post 2133271)
Make or break year for the ravens draft IMO .

Birk and Lewis retired. Bouldin has been told that he will be cut if he doesn't take a pay cut. Bouldin said he would retire if he is cut. Bobbie Williams was cut.

Good new is Ed Reed said he will be back

Lots of key people to replace. The ravens will need "playoff Flacco" during the regular season more than ever. "regular season" Flacco needs to keep away from the field.

Hopefully since Cam Cameron was told to stay away from the field, Joe will continue to progressslike he did after Cam was let go. Caldwell has dne wonders for Joe- watching every game as I do (sometime 3-4 times) I could immediately tell the diffence in the play calling- night and day

handswarmer 03-11-2013 09:02 AM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
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Originally Posted by Texecutioner (Post 2133328)
If you can't understand it, then it's out of homerism and that's all I can really give you to help you understand.

Did Flacco step his game up to the next level in the post season? Definitely.

Does one post season make him elite? Hell no. Only NFL newb fans and the classic folks that are prisoners of the moment will buy into that.

Flacco has never been a top tier QB in the NFL. Maybe his post season run was the start of big things to come and him jumping into that next tier, but as of right now one post season does not indicate that. It indicates the potential for it to happen, but that is all for now.

Flacco has been slightly above average for the most part though. No one in their right mind would have called him elite before the post season, so to even insinuate it now after 4 games of great play is pretty over the top.

This whole idea that Flacco is this great winner isn't exactly true either when he went to a winning team from the start and his team was pretty much winning in spite of Flacco for years instead of because of Flacco. Most Steeler fans laughed for years at the Ravens because they were only getting the best of them mainly because of the difference in QB's between Flacco and Big Ben.

The only reason I think you are having a hard time understanding this is because you're a die hard Ravens fan, and that 'art is pretty obvious to me.

#1- I never said he was elite. At the beginning of th season I had him smewere between 9 and 12th in QB rankings. He dropped off during the season but came back to life whe Cam Cameron was fired- I realy beoeve alot of it was Cam.

#2- Flacco came into team that had gone 5-11 the previous year. He was the third option to start the seasn due to injury. Defense was still good, and he made alot of plays along the way to the AFC Championship game- hich they still could have won of not fr afew dropped passes (foreshadowing). Joe won some games in th early years but he never lost the game fr them. The last three years has been winning alot of games for the Ravens.

#3-I have never cared about the elite thing or "Joe should be ranked in thetop 5 of QB's"- I do dislike the lack of respect around the league that is shown towards a guy who just wins. He is consistenly ranked below people who a big stat churners in the reg seasn and fold in the post-season: Romo, Ryan, Schaub, Stafford, Bradford, Rivers, etc...

Homerism is why I rarely post on Ravens boards- its very evident on evey fan message board; its a trait I do not possess. But I will defend my player when I believe he has been wrongly characterized.

handswarmer 03-11-2013 09:09 AM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
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Originally Posted by Texecutioner (Post 2133329)
Again, trying to use Flacco's playoff record as some sort of huge deal is one of the biggest jokes any Flacco advocate could make. The Ravens have been winning for years as an all defensive team that won in spite of their offense until this season.

Trying to use Flacco's playoff record as some sort of huge measuring stick for him is about as silly as someone trying to act like Trent Dilfer was some sort of top tier QB because he happened to play on a team that won a SB.

You need to go back and watch more of the games and not ESPN.

Your statement is akin to me saying its all Foster, not AJ or Schaub or defense. Or any combination of the tree vs the fourth.

Double Barrel 03-11-2013 04:28 PM

Re: Flacco contract a joke?...These folks make a good point
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texecutioner (Post 2133328)
This whole idea that Flacco is this great winner isn't exactly true either when he went to a winning team from the start...

Quote:

Originally Posted by handswarmer (Post 2133708)
Flacco came into team that had gone 5-11 the previous year.



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