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redwhiteblue 02-01-2013 01:45 PM

2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
My guess:
Antonio Smith
Shaun Cody
Lestar Jean
Ben Tate
Antoine Caldwell
Jesse Nading
Kevin Walter
Quentin Demps
Shayne Graham
Stanford Routt
Mister Alexander
Darryl Sharpton
Brice McCain
Tyler Clutts

wolf123 02-01-2013 02:40 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by redwhiteblue (Post 2119284)
My guess:
Antonio Smith
Shaun Cody
Lestar Jean
Ben Tate
Antoine Caldwell
Jesse Nading
Kevin Walter
Quentin Demps
Shayne Graham
Stanford Routt
Mister Alexander
Darryl Sharpton
Brice McCain
Tyler Clutts

Antonio Smith, Lestar Jean, and Ben tate will all be back.

Porky 02-01-2013 02:49 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Antonio Smith - Back
Shaun Cody - Likely Back
Lestar Jean - Back but will need to earn spot
Ben Tate - Back
Antoine Caldwell - Gone
Jesse Nading - Likely Gone
Kevin Walter - Too close to call
Quentin Demps - Likely Back
Shayne Graham - Likely Gone
Stanford Routt - Possible camp casualty
Mister Alexander - camp cut
Darryl Sharpton - Likely Gone (injury prone)
Brice McCain - FA - Too close to call
Tyler Clutts - Gone

Lurvinator11 02-01-2013 02:59 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Porky (Post 2119312)
Antonio Smith - Back
Shaun Cody - Likely Back
Lestar Jean - Back but will need to earn spot
Ben Tate - Back
Antoine Caldwell - Gone
Jesse Nading - Likely Gone
Kevin Walter - Too close to call
Quentin Demps - Likely Back
Shayne Graham - Likely Gone
Stanford Routt - Possible camp casualty
Mister Alexander - camp cut
Darryl Sharpton - Likely Gone (injury prone)
Brice McCain - FA - Too close to call
Tyler Clutts - Gone

I mostly agree with this, except for Clutts. I think we keep him for FB depth.

I think Walter stays, but it will be his last season with us. I see our WR landscape changing over the next couple of seaons.

Thorn 02-01-2013 03:05 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Tate is still under contract.

JCTexan 02-01-2013 03:16 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorn (Post 2119317)
Tate is still under contract.

So is Antonio Smith, Kevin Walter and Lestar Jean. I believe he's taking into account players who could be cut or traded.

Porky 02-01-2013 03:17 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurvinator11 (Post 2119316)
I mostly agree with this, except for Clutts. I think we keep him for FB depth.

I think Walter stays, but it will be his last season with us. I see our WR landscape changing over the next couple of seaons.

Ya it's going to have to change. AJ isn't getting any younger, and his game is different now. Walter is still a good blocker, but brings less and less in the passing game. You may be right. They might hang on one last year. It's too close to call imo. They could cut bait. Need to see what we get from FA and the draft.

Lurvinator11 02-01-2013 03:30 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Porky (Post 2119324)
Ya it's going to have to change. AJ isn't getting any younger, and his game is different now. Walter is still a good blocker, but brings less and less in the passing game. You may be right. They might hang on one last year. It's too close to call imo. They could cut bait. Need to see what we get from FA and the draft.

Hopefully Posey will come back healthy, and Martin can improve. I think those guys are the future, I just think we need one more guy in the draft or FA and we could be dominate again.

Maybe a couple of years from now, we can draft a WR in round 1, and set up for Johnson retiring. You can't replace Johnson, but it will soften the blow if we know who our number one is going to be when he goes.

Corrosion 02-01-2013 03:33 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by redwhiteblue (Post 2119284)
My guess:
Antonio Smith
Shaun Cody
Lestar Jean
Ben Tate
Antoine Caldwell
Jesse Nading
Kevin Walter
Quentin Demps
Shayne Graham
Stanford Routt
Mister Alexander
Darryl Sharpton
Brice McCain
Tyler Clutts

Several players still under contract on this list -

Antonio Smith
Lestar Jean
Ben Tate
Kevin Walter
Darryl Sharpton

I can see one or two of those players gone but not all of them ....

GP 02-01-2013 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2119333)
Several players still under contract on this list -

Antonio Smith
Lestar Jean
Ben Tate
Kevin Walter
Darryl Sharpton

I can see one or two of those players gone but not all of them ....

Tate will get traded. Teams need good RBs, and I would almost bet a dollar that the guy wants a trade. Too much awkwardness this past season.

Jean is not going anywhere. Especially now that Posey is done for the 2013 season.

Ninja might be a cap casualty.

Walter's only shot to make the 53 after preseason is if the WR corps of AJ, Jean, Martin and Maehl (sp?) pushes him out. But...injuries happen, and in a flash a guy like KW is on the 53.

Sharpton is probably gone.

Corrosion 02-01-2013 07:28 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GP (Post 2119398)
Tate will get traded. Teams need good RBs, and I would almost bet a dollar that the guy wants a trade. Too much awkwardness this past season.

Jean is not going anywhere. Especially now that Posey is done for the 2013 season.

Ninja might be a cap casualty.

Walter's only shot to make the 53 after preseason is if the WR corps of AJ, Jean, Martin and Maehl (sp?) pushes him out. But...injuries happen, and in a flash a guy like KW is on the 53.

Sharpton is probably gone.

I dont see Tate getting moved , his value is as low as its ever been and teams can find a comparable player late in the draft on the cheap. The time to move him was last offseason. That ship has sailed.

Jean probably sticks around only because of Posey's injury - Unless they bring in an upgrade early in the draft or via FA. I think he's the guy most at risk of being unemployed of this list.

Walter will play out this season .... and wont be the guy cut in the event another WR is brought in.

Ninja .... his contract is a mess for the cap. I could see him being extended a couple years spreading that money out some. But I dont see him gone. (Same thing Isaid about Demeco last year FWIW).


Sharpton cant stay healthy .... but played well enough when he was on the field. Tough call but I think he sticks around one more year even if they resign Dobbins and draft or sign a FA ILB.


Probably need to take a look at the impact of dead money against the cap for each of these players , this is a big reason I think they extend Ninja to avoid $9m in dead money.

Thorn 02-01-2013 07:42 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JCTexan (Post 2119323)
So is Antonio Smith, Kevin Walter and Lestar Jean. I believe he's taking into account players who could be cut or traded.

I'm not sure Tate is worth much as trade bait. One good season in three won't get you a good draft pick. He'll be back.

redwhiteblue 02-01-2013 08:19 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Yeah this list wasn't about free agents, it was about who I thought would be cut, traded or not offered a new contract

Insideop 02-01-2013 10:01 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurvinator11 (Post 2119330)
Hopefully Posey will come back healthy, and Martin can improve. I think those guys are the future, I just think we need one more guy in the draft or FA and we could be dominate again.

Maybe a couple of years from now, we can draft a WR in round 1, and set up for Johnson retiring. You can't replace Johnson, but it will soften the blow if we know who our number one is going to be when he goes.

I don't see Posey coming back this year. Not with a torn Achilles. And being a WR means it will be very hard for him to ever come back the same. Don't like being so negative but my guess is Posey may be done!

Also, the only way Walter gets cut is if they pick up a veteran FA (No $$ to get a good one.) or they draft 2 WR in the early rounds (Probably not happening.) There are no big stars like AJ, Julio Jones, Megatron, etc.. in this draft. The Texans should, and probably will, draft at least one solid WR in the early to mid rounds. How early? Don't know. I like Terrance Williams in the 1st. Just don't think the Texans will go that route.

Corrosion 02-01-2013 10:42 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Insideop (Post 2119456)
I don't see Posey coming back this year. Not with a torn Achilles. And being a WR means it will be very hard for him to ever come back the same. Don't like being so negative but my guess is Posey may be done!

Thats a very real possibility .... and why I believe they will address the position with either a significant draft pick (1-2) or a strong FA signing.

hot pickle 02-01-2013 10:49 PM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Jean is gone! wont make it past training camp

Corrosion 02-02-2013 12:06 AM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hot pickle (Post 2119465)
Jean is gone! wont make it past training camp

They are 1 WR short with Posey down for the count .... That opens the door for him to remain even if they draft or sign a FA WR. Now if they draft or sign more than one .... Yeah he's a goner but I dont see more than one with all the other issues and 21 FA's to resign / replace.

Bulls on Parade 02-02-2013 07:48 AM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf123 (Post 2119305)
Antonio Smith, Lestar Jean, and Ben tate will all be back.

The Ninja, unfortunately, will likely be released to save some cap space.

gafftop 02-02-2013 08:22 AM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2119414)
I dont see Tate getting moved , his value is as low as its ever been and teams can find a comparable player late in the draft on the cheap. The time to move him was last offseason. That ship has sailed.

Jean probably sticks around only because of Posey's injury - Unless they bring in an upgrade early in the draft or via FA. I think he's the guy most at risk of being unemployed of this list.

Walter will play out this season .... and wont be the guy cut in the event another WR is brought in.

Ninja .... his contract is a mess for the cap. I could see him being extended a couple years spreading that money out some. But I dont see him gone. (Same thing Isaid about Demeco last year FWIW).


Sharpton cant stay healthy .... but played well enough when he was on the field. Tough call but I think he sticks around one more year even if they resign Dobbins and draft or sign a FA ILB.


Probably need to take a look at the impact of dead money against the cap for each of these players , this is a big reason I think they extend Ninja to avoid $9m in dead money.

I agree with above. I would like to keep Ninja based on what I think he brings to team in attitude. I think he has heart and they need players like this. If someone knows more about how Ninja is perceived on team I would be interested in hearing. It seems as though the Texans like to get rid of players that have heart and attitude, Pollard and Meco for instance.

I think this team needs leaders and I really don't see any veteran leadership on this team. Who is there?

False Start 02-02-2013 08:32 AM

Re: 2012 Texans that will not be returning in 2013
 
I really hope that we don't lose Ninja. I cant recall ever hearing Clutts' name once during a game. I think KW will stick around for depth, hopefully just for depth, because we draft a WR early in the draft.


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