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Wolf6151 01-31-2013 05:27 AM

CB in the 1st round?
 
Jonathan Banks-CB from Mississippi St. has moved down the rankings to being a late 1st round pick. Would he be BPA at pick #27, or is there enough need at CB to justify taking a CB in the 1st round? He looks to me like he's going to be a very good CB in the NFL, and I know there are other needs, but that's not something you pass up lightly. Good CB's are hard to find.

beerlover 01-31-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2118601)
Jonathan Banks-CB from Mississippi St. has moved down the rankings to being a late 1st round pick. Would he be BPA at pick #27, or is there enough need at CB to justify taking a CB in the 1st round? He looks to me like he's going to be a very good CB in the NFL, and I know there are other needs, but that's not something you pass up lightly. Good CB's are hard to find.

He is pretty polished. Ballhawk, mature with leadership skills. Not a quick twitch, blazer but similar to KJ with more length & better hands. If Texan spent #20 on him then you gotta feel why not a better prospect #27? :toropalm:

That said, there is a good crop of CB prospects Texans could pick throughout draft day(s) :specnatz:

NitroGSXR 01-31-2013 02:21 PM

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Not the first round or even in the draft at all but at least UFDA but I'd think the Texans are going to take a long hard look at Tony Tatum given Wade's success with deaf players. He is the ONLY coach in the NFL to ever coach a deaf player and he's done it twice. First with Kenny Walker and now Barwin.

http://nfldraftzone.com/draft-news/d...et-university/

mussop 01-31-2013 08:49 PM

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I really really like Trufant.I would not hate it if we picked him in the first. Wouldn't be my first or even second choice but again I wouldn't hate it.

Corrosion 02-01-2013 01:11 AM

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Just depends on who else is on the board when they pick. I wouldnt rule out a CB in the first by any means.

Wolf6151 02-01-2013 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2119024)
I really really like Trufant.I would not hate it if we picked him in the first. Wouldn't be my first or even second choice but again I wouldn't hate it.

These are my sentiments as well. Trufant and Banks are the best 2 CB's that could possibly be available when we pick and although I think there are bigger needs I sure wouldn't turn down a top ranked CB that falls into our lap. We might not need it now but there's always room for a quality CB on the roster, drafting for the future needs now.

otisbean 02-01-2013 06:13 AM

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Wouldn't mind Poyer in the second or third as a replacement for McCain as our nickel CB

beerlover 02-01-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by otisbean (Post 2119109)
Wouldn't mind Poyer in the second or third as a replacement for McCain as our nickel CB

really like Poyer too. reminds me of Antoine Cason, he could sneak into first. I've said it before but a one-two of Beavers Poyer & Wheaton would add speed to both sides.

Dutchrudder 02-01-2013 10:11 AM

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CB in the 3rd-6th round?
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Doppelganger 02-01-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2118601)
Jonathan Banks-CB from Mississippi St. has moved down the rankings to being a late 1st round pick. Would he be BPA at pick #27, or is there enough need at CB to justify taking a CB in the 1st round? He looks to me like he's going to be a very good CB in the NFL, and I know there are other needs, but that's not something you pass up lightly. Good CB's are hard to find.

If I was targeting a 1st round CB, i'd go after Marcus Trufant's little brother Desmond. He is 5'11, 190lbs, and has 4.42 speed. He is physical and can play in a man scheme that Wade likes. He has the speed, athletic ability, and desire to be a potential lockdown corner. I have been flirting with the idea of grabbing him in the first round.

otisbean 02-01-2013 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 2119165)
really like Poyer too. reminds me of Antoine Cason, he could sneak into first. I've said it before but a one-two of Beavers Poyer & Wheaton would add speed to both sides.

I'd be happy with either or both of those guys

Wolf6151 02-02-2013 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Doppelganger (Post 2119372)
If I was targeting a 1st round CB, i'd go after Marcus Trufant's little brother Desmond. He is 5'11, 190lbs, and has 4.42 speed. He is physical and can play in a man scheme that Wade likes. He has the speed, athletic ability, and desire to be a potential lockdown corner. I have been flirting with the idea of grabbing him in the first round.

I agree, but the question boils down to there being bigger needs at ILB, WR, NT, and O-line, so if your the GM do you fill a bigger need first or jump on a BPA opportunity if one of the top ranked CB's falls into your lap. Taking Banks or Trufant means settling for lesser talent at your other needed positions, but it also means turning one of your teams weaknesses 2 yrs. ago into a team strength with depth, an enviable position for most clubs in the league.

I know it would mean settling for lesser talent at the needed positions but I think I'd have to jump on Banks or Trufant if available in the 1st, as long as we use our other picks to trade up and at least fill WR and NT with high quality talent. They could also be future trade bait since most teams covet quality CB's.

beerlover 02-02-2013 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Doppelganger (Post 2119372)
If I was targeting a 1st round CB, i'd go after Marcus Trufant's little brother Desmond. He is 5'11, 190lbs, and has 4.42 speed. He is physical and can play in a man scheme that Wade likes. He has the speed, athletic ability, and desire to be a potential lockdown corner. I have been flirting with the idea of grabbing him in the first round.

From studying film of Desmond, he doesn't look all the fast or quick. His hips are a little stiff also. I've seen him take bad angles just as much as good ones. He commits stupid penalties when he's beaten, which is going to happen next level so question that as well.

Poyer is much more quick twitch, fast & fluid. not as thick, doesn't look 5'11" 190 as listed but so what he's a playmaker & keeps inside position to make plays on the football, will actually run the receivers route. If I were addressing the best corner available it would be him @ #27. IMO :)

WolverineFan 02-03-2013 10:24 AM

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Have to think we take a CB if he's the BPA. DB is deep this year so you'd like to grab it later and hit a thinner position first, but you need to take the best players.

Wolf6151 02-04-2013 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 2119496)
From studying film of Desmond, he doesn't look all the fast or quick. His hips are a little stiff also. I've seen him take bad angles just as much as good ones. He commits stupid penalties when he's beaten, which is going to happen next level so question that as well.

Poyer is much more quick twitch, fast & fluid. not as thick, doesn't look 5'11" 190 as listed but so what he's a playmaker & keeps inside position to make plays on the football, will actually run the receivers route. If I were addressing the best corner available it would be him @ #27. IMO :)


Poyer is another good name to add to the mix. Banks, Trufant, and Poyer if one of them is available at #27 do we take a CB in the 1st or fill a bigger need at WR or NT?

beerlover 02-04-2013 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2120405)
Poyer is another good name to add to the mix. Banks, Trufant, and Poyer if one of them is available at #27 do we take a CB in the 1st or fill a bigger need at WR or NT?

Watching two 3-4 teams in the Superbowl I couldn't help but notice thickness across the middle of both teams lines. Some big, physical men, very intimidating. Really like another physical DE like Datone Jones or Ansah Ezekial who are positional diverse. If they are both off the board I'd probably still go DL. Next would be Sharrif Floyd & Kawaan Short. Both could play nose or DE in Wade Phillips scheme.

If all those players are gone maybe look ILB like Minter.

Texans can address WR in 2nd and/or 3rd. I don't like their bust rate to take one in the first. CB is not that big of need plus it's got some good depth this year :)

IDEXAN 02-04-2013 10:25 AM

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Even if a CB is not a high-priority "need-wise", if you get a CB on your Board who you've got rated as a player that should have been picked much earlier, I think a team has got to give serious consideration to taking the corner since it's such a high-value position.

Wolf6151 02-04-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2120482)
Even if a CB is not a high-priority "need-wise", if you get a CB on your Board who you've got rated as a player that should have been picked much earlier, I think a team has got to give serious consideration to taking the corner since it's such a high-value position.

My sentiments exactly. While I agree with BL about adding some size to our D-line, I really want Kawann Short-DT in the 1st round and hope that we get bigger at the other DE spot when Antonio is done, a good CB is so hard to find that I think you almost have to jump on a good one if they fall to you, even above taking another position of greater need. Good CB's are becoming more and more rare. Also as the NFL becomes more pass oriented every year I think you have to put an emphasis on the secondary. If a good CB doesn't work out then they can often times be switched to Safety as well.

Doppelganger 02-04-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 2120477)
Watching two 3-4 teams in the Superbowl I couldn't help but notice thickness across the middle of both teams lines. Some big, physical men, very intimidating. Really like another physical DE like Datone Jones or Ansah Ezekial who are positional diverse. If they are both off the board I'd probably still go DL. Next would be Sharrif Floyd & Kawaan Short. Both could play nose or DE in Wade Phillips scheme.

If all those players are gone maybe look ILB like Minter.

Texans can address WR in 2nd and/or 3rd. I don't like their bust rate to take one in the first. CB is not that big of need plus it's got some good depth this year :)

That's on the OL and DL. Did you see the chippiness in the first quarter? Those guys were practically ready to fight on the floor of the superdome. Not sure if Floyd is the right fit, but i like Short. Minter seems like a great ILB, but I worry about ILB2 in the Wade scheme. When he goes to nickel, ILB 2 comes off the field for another cb. If Cush wasn't there, Minter would be perfect. However, do we want to invest a high pick in a player who may not see the field against spread offenses?

steelbtexan 02-04-2013 02:01 PM

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If there are comparable players at WR/OT to NT/ILB who do you take in the 1st/2nd rd?

I go offense, The offense was putrid at the end of the yr and needs to be fixed.


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