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CloakNNNdagger 01-29-2013 12:29 PM

Ray Lewis Recovered Using Banned Substance
 
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The deer-antler spray contains IGF-1, which is on the NFL's list of banned substances. Christopher Key - one of the S.W.A.T.S. guys - described the company's products to a group of Alabama football players before the BCS National Championship in 2012. He recorded the conversation.

"You're familiar with HGH, correct?" asked Key, referring to human growth hormone. "It's converted in the liver to IGF-1." IGF-1, or -insulin-like growth factor, is a natural, anabolic hormone that stimulates muscle growth. "We have deer that we harvest out of New Zealand," Key said. "Their antlers are the fastest-growing substance on planet Earth . . . because of the high concentration of IGF-1. We've been able to freeze dry that out, extract it, put it in a sublingual spray that you shake for 20 seconds and then spray three [times] under your tongue. . . . This stuff has been around for almost 1,000 years, this is stuff from the Chinese."

Epstein and Dohrmann walk you through the background on S.W.A.T.S., the company's alleged relationship with numerous NFL players, the scene prior to the BCS Championship, and Ross' ties to Ray Lewis.
REST OF STORY (Be sure to click on the link "Sports Illustrated has published an in-depth examination" link within the story}

Yankee_In_TX 01-29-2013 12:44 PM

Re: Ray Lewis Recovered Using Banned Substance
 
I skimmed a lot, I don't think there's anything there for Bama or Ray.

TheIronDuke 01-29-2013 12:56 PM

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Good read.

eriadoc 01-29-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Yankee_In_TX (Post 2117853)
I skimmed a lot, I don't think there's anything there for Bama or Ray.

No?

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Hours after he tore his triceps during an Oct. 14 home game against the Cowboys, Ravens All-Pro linebacker Ray Lewis and Ross connected on the phone. Again, Ross videotaped the call.

On the call, the two allegedly discuss the treatment that Lewis would undergo in order to return to the field as quickly as possible.

Ross prescribed a deluxe program, including holographic stickers on the right elbow; copious quantities of the powder additive; sleeping in front of a beam-ray light programmed with frequencies for tissue regeneration and pain relief; drinking negatively charged water; a 10-per-day regimen of the deer-antler pills that will "rebuild your brain via your small intestines" (and which Lewis said he hadn't been taking, then swallowed four during the conversation); and spritzes of deer-antler velvet extract (the Ultimate Spray) every two hours.

"Spray on my elbow every two hours?" Lewis asked.

"No," Ross said, "under your tongue."

Toward the end of the talk, Lewis asked Ross to "just pile me up and just send me everything you got, because I got to get back on this this week."

Yankee_In_TX 01-30-2013 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by eriadoc (Post 2117864)
No?

My bad, I went straight t the second article and missed that deer antler spray (wtf?) was a banned substance.

One of the former players on 610 this morning said that the stuff is all placebo but gets on the list because player X gets busted for testing positive, says 'but I had a high level of that because I took _____ (fill in placebo crap), I never took ______ (fill in PED)."

So player X gets off and now some random thing that does jack squat is on the list.

Sounded like a viable theory to me....

TexansBlood 01-30-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Yankee_In_TX (Post 2118306)
My bad, I went straight t the second article and missed that deer antler spray (wtf?) was a banned substance.

One of the former players on 610 this morning said that the stuff is all placebo but gets on the list because player X gets busted for testing positive, says 'but I had a high level of that because I took _____ (fill in placebo crap), I never took ______ (fill in PED)."

So player X gets off and now some random thing that does jack squat is on the list.

Sounded like a viable theory to me....

I was listening this morning also and you know who that former player was right? It was Bill Romanowski, I dont think I need to say more.

Double Barrel 01-30-2013 01:19 PM

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Ray has never been tested positive in 17 years. I guess that's relative, because Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds never tested positive.

However, I am suspect of the story because of the timing it was released. It seems very contrived and deliberate to release the story at the height of the media frenzy around Ray Lewis.

If true, so be it.

But if not true, that just sucks for Ray because he doesn't deserve this negative publicity at a time when we should be celebrating 17 great years in the league.

Seriously, deer antlers? They couldn't find any sharks fins or black bear penis to give him? Sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo to me.

handswarmer 01-30-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 2118339)
Seriously, deer antlers? They couldn't find any sharks fins or black bear penis to give him? .

:ahhaha:

chicagotexan2 01-30-2013 08:24 PM

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He's done worse than this. He's done after this game anyway.

CloakNNNdagger 01-30-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ckhouston (Post 2118437)
Just like HGH there is no test for IGF-1 in the NFL ... move on ...

It certainly can be, and is tested for. I have tested cancer patients for IGF-1 for years.

GP 01-30-2013 10:10 PM

So this spray stuff is because deer antlers grow at an amazing rate?

What's next, players rubbing Viagra powder on their injured joints?

eriadoc 01-31-2013 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GP (Post 2118555)
So this spray stuff is because deer antlers grow at an amazing rate?

What's next, players rubbing Viagra powder on their injured joints?

You joke, but it's a vasodilator. It wouldn't surprise me if athletes have been testing its properties.

Thorn 01-31-2013 05:39 AM

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People do whatever they think might give them an edge in their profession. Some are just more smart about it than others.

Playoffs 01-31-2013 07:43 AM

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I dunno, might be something to this spray...


Luv_ya_blue 01-31-2013 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 2118339)
Seriously, deer antlers? They couldn't find any sharks fins or black bear penis to give him? Sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo to me.


This particular deer (Asian I think) grows exceptionally fast. As a result of this rapid growth, scientists were/are able to extract the makeup that causes this rapid growth (recovery) and have figured out a way to make it effective on humans.

But this is all for naught--as it won't make any difference before Sunday. If proved valid, it would only affect his HOF chances I suspect.

infantrycak 01-31-2013 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Luv_ya_blue (Post 2118612)
This particular deer (Asian I think) grows exceptionally fast. As a result of this rapid growth, scientists were/are able to extract the makeup that causes this rapid growth (recovery) and have figured out a way to make it effective on humans.

But this is all for naught--as it won't make any difference before Sunday. If proved valid, it would only affect his HOF chances I suspect.

Its from New Zealand which means red stag which are native to Europe.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...09_denmark.jpg

Apparently not a new deal.

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Former British Open winner Bob Charles of New Zealand says he used and advertised a banned deer-antler spray for more than 20 years without realising it contained a substance that violated golf’s doping protocols.

Fiji golfer Vijay Singh is currently under investigation after admitting to using the spray which contains the banned muscle growth hormone IGF-1.
Link

HoustonFrog 01-31-2013 08:29 AM

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Come on people, let up on deer antler spray, it's not like he killed someone..................:kitten:

CloakNNNdagger 01-31-2013 09:08 AM

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For those interested, I'd like to share with you this timely comprehensive New York Times article that very simply explains the status of the situation presently being discussed.

New to Most Fans, IGF-1 Has Long Been Banned as a Performance Enhancer

Double Barrel 01-31-2013 09:46 AM

Re: Ray Lewis Recovered Using Banned Substance
 
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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2118611)
I dunno, might be something to this spray...


Now that's just funny! :spit:

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Originally Posted by Luv_ya_blue (Post 2118612)
This particular deer (Asian I think) grows exceptionally fast. As a result of this rapid growth, scientists were/are able to extract the makeup that causes this rapid growth (recovery) and have figured out a way to make it effective on humans.

But this is all for naught--as it won't make any difference before Sunday. If proved valid, it would only affect his HOF chances I suspect.

Even if it turns out to be true, there are lots of PED users already in the HoF. I suppose the caveat is that it was legal when they were playing, but the end result is still the same: PED users in the HoF.

GP 01-31-2013 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HoustonFrog (Post 2118620)
Come on people, let up on deer antler spray, it's not like he killed someone..................:kitten:

Ha, I was going to post this last night:

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Guys, relax! It's not like he killed the deer or anything.
I was afraid it would offend people, but now that I see your post...I'm rolling with it.


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