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srrono 01-24-2013 04:50 PM

Poor DeMeco Ryans PHI may change to 3-4 defense
 
There is a good chance the Eagles switch over to a 3-4 under Chip Kelly ó a sizable project in what will turn out to be a rather extensive remodeling effort this offseason, Tim McManus of Phillymag.com.

Kelly hasnít publicly committed to the transition, and perhaps it would be best to officially have a defensive coordinator in place before doing so. But there is a sense that he would like to make the move.

According to Howie Roseman, the teamís preparations for such a change predate Kelly coming on board.

Full story
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescri...e/Default.aspx

Poor DeMeco Ryans

The Redzone ‏@TheRedzoneorg
'Good chance' Eagles transition to the 3-4 defense http://tinyurl.com/ae9yjj3 #NFL #Eagles

ESAD2-14 01-24-2013 06:26 PM

Re: Poor DeMeco Ryans PHI may change to 3-4 defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by srrono (Post 2115909)
There is a good chance the Eagles switch over to a 3-4 under Chip Kelly ó a sizable project in what will turn out to be a rather extensive remodeling effort this offseason, Tim McManus of Phillymag.com.

Kelly hasnít publicly committed to the transition, and perhaps it would be best to officially have a defensive coordinator in place before doing so. But there is a sense that he would like to make the move.

According to Howie Roseman, the teamís preparations for such a change predate Kelly coming on board.

Full story
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescri...e/Default.aspx

Poor DeMeco Ryans

The Redzone ‏@TheRedzoneorg
'Good chance' Eagles transition to the 3-4 defense http://tinyurl.com/ae9yjj3 #NFL #Eagles

3-4 or 4-3 I'd take Demeco in either one of those defenses, dude plays hard and smart.

Big Lou 01-24-2013 06:39 PM

Re: Poor DeMeco Ryans PHI may change to 3-4 defense
 
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Originally Posted by ESAD2-14 (Post 2115943)
3-4 or 4-3 I'd take Demeco in either one of those defenses, dude plays hard and smart.

Maybe we could trade to get him back. We need some depth at ILB, LOL!

Honoring Earl 34 01-24-2013 06:45 PM

Re: Poor DeMeco Ryans PHI may change to 3-4 defense
 
I bet he drafts Dion Jordan .

Rey 01-24-2013 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34 (Post 2115953)
I bet he drafts Dion Jordan .

I hadn't thought about that...

I hope not...

dc_txtech 01-24-2013 07:27 PM

Re: Poor DeMeco Ryans PHI may change to 3-4 defense
 
I would love to have DeMeco back at a smaller contract. Dude is 2 years removed from a serious injury and still young. I didn't follow Philly too closely but judging by the numbers he had a decent season.

Bring back DeMeco!

tru80texan 01-24-2013 08:11 PM

Re: Poor DeMeco Ryans PHI may change to 3-4 defense
 
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Originally Posted by ESAD2-14 (Post 2115943)
3-4 or 4-3 I'd take Demeco in either one of those defenses, dude plays hard and smart.


I honestly do not believe scheme was the issue w/ DeMeco here in Houston. DeMeco is a very good ILB regardless. The problem was the price tag. Playing 2 downs on a regular basis did not warrant the amount of money Ryans was making. Remove that one aspect from the equation & I think its safe to say Ryans was a much better option at ILB despite the silliness that Herring & Wade spewed in the preseason in favor of James. Ryans was deeply missed & James did nothing to make us forget about him. Lower the price & bring him home is what I say.

CloakNNNdagger 01-24-2013 08:23 PM

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If you watched Philly's 4-3 scheme, it funneled plays into Demeco in the middle, leading to his tackle number. He had one sack, and the one INT was thrown right to him. He did not show much in lateral movement, certainly not side to side. A 3-4 will not be kind to him.

Corrosion 01-24-2013 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Lou (Post 2115950)
Maybe we could trade to get him back. We need some depth at ILB, LOL!

We need an ILB with cover skills .... thats far from his strong suit. Honestly , Id like to see them plug a "big safety" in at ILB since they run so many three safety snaps as it is and teams dont just pass in passing situations ... That player would have to tackle well and be able to defend TE's & RB's in the passing game .... Hell , plug Quin in that role and pick up another safety to play alongside Manning on the back end.

tru80texan 01-24-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2116003)
If you watched Philly's 4-3 scheme, it funneled plays into Demeco in the middle, leading to his tackle number. He had one sack, and the one INT was thrown right to him. He did not show much in lateral movement, certainly not side to side. A 3-4 will not be kind to him.

As if James thrived. We all heard the silliness Herring & Wade had to say about James & his play was hardly what was advertised by Wade & co. Ryans play at the end of the 2011 season was picking up & he was playing well. Kubiak made that claim himself following the season & that was despite Ryans playing in the unkind 3-4. I would take Ryans over James any day & twice on Sunday regardless of the scheme. He may have had only 1 sack, but you have to have your number called to get a sack. I doubt it was a free for all for him & he just didn't make the play.

The running plays funneled towrads James as well. Of course they were designed to run up the middle & he was either swallowed up by a block or missed the tackle.

Rey 01-24-2013 09:03 PM

IMHO, bradie would have been ok has Cushing not gotten hurt.

We all knew he wasn't an everydown, THE man type of MLB.

tru80texan 01-24-2013 09:08 PM

Re: Poor DeMeco Ryans PHI may change to 3-4 defense
 
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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2116012)
We need an ILB with cover skills .... thats far from his strong suit. Honestly , Id like to see them plug a "big safety" in at ILB since they run so many three safety snaps as it is and teams dont just pass in passing situations ... That player would have to tackle well and be able to defend TE's & RB's in the passing game .... Hell , plug Quin in that role and pick up another safety to play alongside Manning on the back end.

I'm pretty sure this a formation that they already use. That's why we saw Demps & Keo on the field w/ Quin & Manning.

The knock on Ryans was he made too much for being a 2 down LB. That wouldn't change. Cushing is the LB out there on passing downs regardless of who lines up next to him. So coverage is not something Ryans nor James would be asked to do w/ a healthy Cushing in the mix. That being said, Ryans is the better player compared to James & that's why I wouldn't mind having him back IF his salary was lowered to reflect his reduced role. It's unlikely to happen, but when it was all said & done, the Texans trading Ryans & acquiring James did not make this team better as Wade & Herring foolishly tried to make us believe. Hopefully a good rookie is brought in to start immediately. Hopefully its a player who can minimize the negative impact if Cushing were to be lost again. The ILB position & its depth was exposed once Cushing was out imo.

Corrosion 01-24-2013 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tru80texan (Post 2116022)
I'm pretty sure this a formation that they already use. That's why we saw Demps & Keo on the field w/ Quin & Manning.

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Thats what I said above , they already run it a considerable amount of the time .... and rather than use that personel package only on passing downs , with a "Big Safety" playing the ILB spot , you could run it as your base back end .... pending that hybrid S/ILB can cover and play the run.

False Start 01-24-2013 09:33 PM

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I would take him back, in a heartbeat. Dude is a leader, and plays his ass off every game. It probably aint happenin though, so .... :shrug:

tru80texan 01-24-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2116024)
Thats what I said above , they already run it a considerable amount of the time .... and rather than use that personel package only on passing downs , with a "Big Safety" playing the ILB spot , you could run it as your base back end .... pending that hybrid S/ILB can cover and play the run.

I'm not sure that would work because now you are saying they should play w/ basically an undersized LB. Sure he may have the height but not the weight or strength to fend off blockers. The concept sounds good, but the Texans just need another young nimble ILB w/ speed. They exist, its just about finding the right one imo. Plus, as I said earlier Cushing is that player. Whoever starts next to him would not be in coverage on obvious passing downs. My whole point was Ryans is better then James & if Ryans salary had become an issue I 100% believe he would still be a Texan.

JimBaker488 01-24-2013 10:16 PM

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Maybe he'll follow old coach to Chiefs, where Reid may convert their 3-4 to the
4-3 he ran in Philly ?

CloakNNNdagger 01-24-2013 10:17 PM

Re: Poor DeMeco Ryans PHI may change to 3-4 defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tru80texan (Post 2116015)
As if James thrived. We all heard the silliness Herring & Wade had to say about James & his play was hardly what was advertised by Wade & co. Ryans play at the end of the 2011 season was picking up & he was playing well. Kubiak made that claim himself following the season & that was despite Ryans playing in the unkind 3-4. I would take Ryans over James any day & twice on Sunday regardless of the scheme. He may have had only 1 sack, but you have to have your number called to get a sack. I doubt it was a free for all for him & he just didn't make the play.

The running plays funneled towrads James as well. Of course they were designed to run up the middle & he was either swallowed up by a block or missed the tackle.

I don't remember bringing in any comparisons to James. Just pointing out Ryans obvious deficits.

tru80texan 01-25-2013 12:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2116047)
I don't remember bringing in any comparisons to James. Just pointing out Ryans obvious deficits.

You did not, but the comparison was warranted, imo, because James ultimately replaced Ryans & was suppose to be a better fit. I would beg to differ. The 3-4 specialist James seemed to be a step down. Considering Ryans was displaying improved health & thus improved production, by Kubiaks own admission, then I believe Ryans could've faired well in a 3-4 had he been given an opportunity that wasn't effected by his health & a shortened learning period in a new scheme. We will never know, but in the end it was not Ryans lack of lateral movement that ultimately got him traded.

Norg 01-25-2013 12:20 AM

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he will prob go to some ****ty team and be a big fish in a small pond

he will prob want to come back to the AFC so the ****test teams

Jags
bills
KC

Corrosion 01-25-2013 12:44 AM

Re: Poor DeMeco Ryans PHI may change to 3-4 defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tru80texan (Post 2116033)
I'm not sure that would work because now you are saying they should play w/ basically an undersized LB. Sure he may have the height but not the weight or strength to fend off blockers. The concept sounds good, but the Texans just need another young nimble ILB w/ speed. They exist, its just about finding the right one imo. Plus, as I said earlier Cushing is that player. Whoever starts next to him would not be in coverage on obvious passing downs. My whole point was Ryans is better then James & if Ryans salary had become an issue I 100% believe he would still be a Texan.

Cushing's job was getting after the QB in many passing situiations ..... he didnt often drop into coverage. Whoever starts next to him has to be solid in coverage.


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