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b0ng 01-23-2013 08:21 AM

[2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Simple enough question, say both of these players declare for the 2014 draft and neither suffer any major injuries. Obviously not seeing them play in 2013 will be a large variable in this question but who would you rather have. Just some physical traits for each player:

Johnny Manziel:
Height: 6-1 (ESPN.com)
Weight: 200lbs (ESPN.com)
YDS TD INT
3706 26 9


Teddy Bridgewater
Height: 6-3 (ESPN.com)
Weight: 213lbs (ESPN.com)
YDS TD INT
3718 27 8

Personally, I love watching Johnny Football play his college ball. As Lance Z described him, he's a 6 foot 200 pound whirling dervish of a QB who played behind probably the best O-line in football. On the other hand you have Teddy Bridgewater who toils in the crappy Big East but had a great Sugar Bowl game against a really good Florida Gators defense.

I would probably favor the bigger guy in Bridgewater, but it's not like Manziel doesn't have a bunch of good things in his favor.

htownfan32 01-23-2013 07:35 PM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
I prefer Manziel overall but Bridgewater in our system. I'm of the belief that Manziel would be wasted in Kube's system (Manziel would be a terror as an Eagle). From what I've watched on Bridgewater, I've been impressed with his mobility in the pocket. He steps up to avoid hits and moves around. He's on his feet and doesn't look like a stone (cough Schaub cough). Keeps his eyes downfield. Great in the pocket. I like his arm too, nothing special but he can make the throws. Dude was composed against Florida. I really like him as a prospect. Obviously for both homer and other reasons I think Manziel is a better quarterback simply because he's a game changer in a way few QBs are but I just don't see Manziel in *this* *current* Texans system. We'd have to have a regime change and a offensive scheme overhaul for Manziel to become deadly in our offense.

The cons... I don't know if it was me... but BW's spiral is a little iffy. That ball wobbles a bit too much on the deep throws and even the medium or intermediate ones.

Goldensilence 01-29-2013 08:55 PM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Gee more Manziel love. Color me surprised.

I voted Bridgewater, one more year experience and though Manziel eventually might break the system QB knock on Sumlin QBs and other "air raid" type qbs out of a similar system have fared in the NFL. It just makes me wary. I also think Bridgewater's size gives him an edge.

bhsman 01-30-2013 04:18 PM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
[x] Tajh Boyd :)

badboy 01-30-2013 04:37 PM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
I've seen more of Manziel but would prefer Bridgewater + he is a bit taller two inches and 20 lbs heavier. Will watch both more next season.

htownfan32 01-30-2013 05:36 PM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Hey, I evened it out. Bridgewater in this system... and many other systems. Manziel would be great on a few teams and probably not so great on many others.

b0ng 12-06-2013 10:14 PM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Necro bump

mussop 12-07-2013 12:42 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
I believe those measurements are off.

bhsman 12-07-2013 12:48 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
If we get a guy like Bevell I'm comfortable with Manziel, seeing as he could use him much like Seattle uses Wilson.

steelbtexan 12-07-2013 12:49 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
3m's Mettenberger/McCarron/Murray over either one of the poll choices. Good thing is you most likely wouldn't have to spend 1-1 on them.

steelbtexan 12-07-2013 12:50 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bhsman (Post 2264681)
If we get a guy like Bevell I'm comfortable with Manziel, seeing as he could use him much like Seattle uses Wilson.

Agreed

Rey 12-07-2013 01:20 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Bridge water and it's not close.

Manziel has some work to do in order to be a good nfl qb. I really like his natural ability and spark he brings, but his qb'ing from the pocket is dreadful at times.

Wolf6151 12-07-2013 02:25 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2264691)
Bridge water and it's not close.

Manziel has some work to do in order to be a good nfl qb. I really like his natural ability and spark he brings, but his qb'ing from the pocket is dreadful at times.

^^^^THIS^^^^

Manziel runs and throws on the run well, but it will only take one hit from an NFL LB or Safety to put an end to a season or career. Remember he's not a big man and his pocket presence ain't very good at times.

Corrosion 12-07-2013 08:30 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2264704)
^^^^THIS^^^^

Manziel runs and throws on the run well, but it will only take one hit from an NFL LB or Safety to put an end to a season or career. Remember he's not a big man and his pocket presence ain't very good at times.

That's funny - He's heavier than Bridgewater who's ~3 inches taller. Manziel has the thicker build among the two. If either one of them gets blasted by a defender it could be good night Irene.

To be honest , I don't think Bridgewater is going to be anything more than an average QB in the NFL and I'm not so sure Manziel's game translates to the NFL , not because of injury concerns but because in the NFL he'll be surrounded by athletes of his caliber and wont be able to escape pressure nearly as often as he has against inferior athletes.


I don't want either one them @ #1. The risks are just too great.

bah007 12-07-2013 09:10 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
The Wilson/Manziel comparison kills me. They aren't even close to the same aside from both being short and athletic. That's where the similarities end.

Corrosion 12-07-2013 09:24 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 2264754)
The Wilson/Manziel comparison kills me. They aren't even close to the same aside from both being short and athletic. That's where the similarities end.

I dunno , they both have the ability to escape a collapsing pocket , move around and keep their eyes down the field. I think its a fair comparison in many aspects.

Honoring Earl 34 12-07-2013 09:28 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 2264754)
The Wilson/Manziel comparison kills me. They aren't even close to the same aside from both being short and athletic. That's where the similarities end.

What about JF being the love child of Wilson and Jim McMahon .

Trap_Star 12-07-2013 09:44 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
lol Johnny f is closer to 6'0 185

jaayteetx 12-07-2013 09:46 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Neither.

WolverineFan 12-07-2013 10:01 AM

Re: [2014] Bridgwater vs Manziel who would you take?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 2264758)
I dunno , they both have the ability to escape a collapsing pocket , move around and keep their eyes down the field. I think its a fair comparison in many aspects.

I can see the similarity to an extent. However, Wilson has a much stronger arm, puts amazing touch on the ball, makes quicker and better decisions, has a ridiculous football IQ, and has unheard of intangibles and leadership qualities for such a young player.

Now a lot of that can be fixed with experience for Manziel. But some of it (arm, mental acumen for the position, intangibles) are just things that some guys have and most guys don't.

Athletically, Manziel reminds me a bit of Wilson. But when I watch the two play the QB position, I don't see the similarity.


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