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tru80texan 01-21-2013 08:58 PM

A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=9964

Here is a little breakdown on Rick Smith's drafting tendencies by conference & state as well as how his drafts have panned out over the years.

Personally I'm not too impressed considering there is only 1 player left on the team out of 14 drafted in 2007 & 2008. Guess we can chalk that up to growing pains, but there are a few other areas of concern, IMO, such as there have only been 9 starters produced from the last 4 drafts & 2(possibly 3) could be lost after this offseason. That a spotty track record IMO. Thoughts...

tru80texan 01-21-2013 09:06 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Here's an added bonus on what players the Texans reportedly spoke to today at the Senior Bowl practice.

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=9976

I watched this practice. Kinda impressed w/ Pugh at T. He's catching flack for having short arms, so he's expected to be a RT, but he looked decent doing pass rush drills against the likes of Okafor.

Poyer, CB, looked good & impressive. Especially in man to man. Very physical & made plays on the ball.

The NC State QB...ummmm...not too impressed w/ him. He looked rough at times, including badly overthrowing a wide open wr for an int. We already have that issue here.

Didnt think this needed it's own thread, but it's decent info IMO.

Lucky 01-21-2013 09:17 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
My thoughts are that Smith gets either too much credit or too much blame for the draft. Yes he is in charge of the process. But it is well known that Duane Brown was Alex Gibbs' pick. JJ Watt was Wade Phillips' pick. Smith takes a lot of input from the scouts and the coaches. It's more of a consensus than Smith dictating.

Having said that, the Texans draft record has been spotty since Smith's arrival. Good and bad. The good is magnified by Arian Foster's UDFA signing in 2009. With 11 picks in the upcoming draft, this would be a good time for Smith and Co. to be more good than bad.

tru80texan 01-21-2013 09:29 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 2114256)
My thoughts are that Smith gets either too much credit or too much blame for the draft. Yes he is in charge of the process. But it is well known that Duane Brown was Alex Gibbs' pick. JJ Watt was Wade Phillips' pick. Smith takes a lot of input from the scouts and the coaches. It's more of a consensus than Smith dictating.

Having said that, the Texans draft record has been spotty since Smith's arrival. Good and bad. The good is magnified by Arian Foster's UDFA signing in 2009. With 11 picks in the upcoming draft, this would be a good time for Smith and Co. to be more good than bad.

I think the spotty drafts & the salary cap nightmare is why Smith is always a hot topic. If you aren't drafting players worthy of being starters & you aren't known for building the team thru free agency...then how do you create such a mess w/ the salary cap? Some of the poor decisions made on free agents have haunted the Texans for quite a while. If I recall correctly, the Texans were still dealing w/ dead money against the salary cap in 2012 for Jacque Reeves of all people. When you consider the fact that on the defense alone that 6 of the 11 starters where still under their rookie contracts it makes you wonder where all the money is going & how badly was it handled.

Hopefully you are right & they hit a few jackpots in this upcoming draft to get the trend turned around.

wolf123 01-21-2013 09:54 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
I think Smith has done a good job. The 07 draft was terrible but our talent level is one of the tops in the league.:hurrah:

tru80texan 01-21-2013 10:01 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf123 (Post 2114264)
I think Smith has done a good job. The 07 draft was terrible but our talent level is one of the tops in the league.:hurrah:

Hmmmmm...did you read the link?? Just wondering....:foottap: lol!

To each there own.

AJ-80 01-21-2013 10:11 PM

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I have never been a fan of the NC state quarterback (Glennon?)

From the games I have watched, I'm not even sure why he should be draft material.

Playoffs 01-21-2013 10:13 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 2114256)
...But it is well known that Duane Brown was Alex Gibbs' pick.

Duane was the last of 6 first round graded LT available at our #26. There were 8 OTs taken in the first and none in the second.

Pretty sure we liked Clady, Williams, & Albert too. So I think lady luck was on our side.

(And speaking of Alex Gibbs, I'd sure like to pull him out of retirement for any type of consultant role he's willing to do.)

dtran04 01-21-2013 10:25 PM

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Just compare draft history in the AFC South.

It feels like the Jags/Titans haven't had a single significant draft choice in forever, hence why they are struggling.

Colts tanked for Luck so I guess they were smart for that.

tru80texan 01-21-2013 10:32 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtran04 (Post 2114274)
Just compare draft history in the AFC South.

It feels like the Jags/Titans haven't had a single significant draft choice in forever, hence why they are struggling.

Colts tanked for Luck so I guess they were smart for that.

On that note...dont you think that is why the Titans & jags have recently replaced their GM's. Drafting a punter in the 3rd round kinda speaks for itself. Colts may have tanked, but they seem to have not only got a starting QB, but also a playmaking wr & returner all in 1, & a starting RB a well. Seems that change was a smart one IMO & not necessarily the start over dooms day that many predict happens when you replace a GM or HC.

76Texan 01-21-2013 10:34 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tru80texan (Post 2114243)
http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=9964

Here is a little breakdown on Rick Smith's drafting tendencies by conference & state as well as how his drafts have panned out over the years.

Personally I'm not too impressed considering there is only 1 player left on the team out of 14 drafted in 2007 & 2008. Guess we can chalk that up to growing pains, but there are a few other areas of concern, IMO, such as there have only been 9 starters produced from the last 4 drafts & 2(possibly 3) could be lost after this offseason. That a spotty track record IMO. Thoughts...

With the movement of players nowadays, it's not at all surprising.

We've talked about this before.

A better measure might be what happened to them?

Of those 14 picks, 1 remained and 9 found employments elsewhere.
That needs to be compared with other teams to see how well a team draft.

But that's really not all there's to it.

76Texan 01-21-2013 10:40 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2114280)
With the movement of players nowadays, it's not at all surprising.

We've talked about this before.

A better measure might be what happened to them?

Of those 14 picks, 1 remained and 9 found employments elsewhere.
That needs to be compared with other teams to see how well a team draft.

But that's really not all there's to it.

Next you have to consider their draft spots.
Then you have to take into account trades, for example, the Texans traded two second rounders (one in each of those two years) for Schaub.

tru80texan 01-21-2013 10:44 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2114280)
With the movement of players nowadays, it's not at all surprising.

We've talked about this before.

A better measure might be what happened to them?

Of those 14 picks, 1 remained and 9 found employments elsewhere.
That needs to be compared with other teams to see how well a team draft.

But that's really not all there's to it.

Hmmmmm...that's an interesting thought. Here's the list of players from 2007 & 2008. Please tell me what players outside of Brown & Jacoby Jones, yeah the guy we ran out of town, have turned into quality NFL players contributing on another team. I don't see anything but busts, journeymen, or players who are unemployed but still hanging on to the dream w/ an occasional tryout. I think you might be giving credit where credit isn't do.

2007 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville
3/73 Jacoby Jones Wide receiver Lane
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State

2008 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State

AJ-80 01-21-2013 10:50 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tru80texan (Post 2114287)
Hmmmmm...that's an interesting thought. Here's the list of players from 2007 & 2008. Please tell me what players outside of Brown & Jacoby Jones, yeah the guy we ran out of town, have turned into quality NFL players contributing on another team. I don't see anything but busts, journeymen, or players who are unemployed but still hanging on to the dream w/ an occasional tryout. I think you might be giving credit where credit isn't do.

2007 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville
3/73 Jacoby Jones Wide receiver Lane
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State

2008 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State

Okoye turned out to be quite a disappointment, didn't he....We passed up some prime talent.

Pick number 11: Patrick Willis :kubepalm:

tru80texan 01-21-2013 10:55 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ-80 (Post 2114295)
Okoye turned out to be quite a disappointment, didn't he....We passed up some prime talent.

Pick number 11: Patrick Willis :kubepalm:

Thats a HUGE understatement. Sometimes I wish the Texans would just make the obvious pick as opposed to the sneaky surprising pick that takes a few years to develop...if they develop at all. Molden & Fred Bennett where also head scratchers that didn't quite pan out. IMO rounds 1-3 should be players that develop into quality players. Missing in those rounds is normally not a good thing.

eriadoc 01-21-2013 10:58 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
I'd be OK if they don't draft any more Brandon Harris* guys.

b0ng 01-21-2013 11:02 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2114280)
With the movement of players nowadays, it's not at all surprising.

We've talked about this before.

A better measure might be what happened to them?

Of those 14 picks, 1 remained and 9 found employments elsewhere.
That needs to be compared with other teams to see how well a team draft.

But that's really not all there's to it.

To add to this, when you start off your article with the hand waving the selection of two All-Pro's, you can tell it will be heavily biased. I also don't really agree with the notion that the Texans are in a dire situation salary cap wise. Some cuts will have to be made but I doubt they bring nothing in free agency.

I'm of the opinion Smith is doing a good job bringing in talent, and retaining talent on the roster. I can't imagine being upset at any recent big name signing in free agency, but I could be overlooking something.

76Texan 01-21-2013 11:04 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tru80texan (Post 2114287)
Hmmmmm...that's an interesting thought. Here's the list of players from 2007 & 2008. Please tell me what players outside of Brown & Jacoby Jones, yeah the guy we ran out of town, have turned into quality NFL players contributing on another team. I don't see anything but busts, journeymen, or players who are unemployed but still hanging on to the dream w/ an occasional tryout. I think you might be giving credit where credit isn't do.

2007 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville
3/73 Jacoby Jones Wide receiver Lane
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State

2008 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State

Normally, the rule of thumb is that you expect a second rounder to become a starter (keeping in mind that there's no guarantee; even a high first round draft pick had become a bust many times before); a guy like Okoye, was also a starter for another team. He doesn't qualify as a bust.

The rate of going for a third rounder goes down to a maybe starter, but likely a solid rotational player or contributor.

A fourth rounder is a contributor if you draft decently and so on.

Jacoby, Slaton, and Adibi qualified to be a little better than average, at least enough to compensate for Molden.

In the meantime, before we go on, we also need to take into account the signing of UDFA, Brisiel and Butler. These guys may very well replace some of your own draft picks, and they did.

tru80texan 01-21-2013 11:13 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 2114309)
Normally, the rule of thumb is that you expect a second rounder to become a starter (keeping in mind that there's no guarantee; even a high first round draft pick had become a bust many times before); a guy like Okoye, was also a starter for another team. He doesn't qualify as a bust.

The rate of going for a third rounder goes down to a maybe starter, but likely a solid rotational player or contributor.

A fourth rounder is a contributor if you draft decently and so on.

Jacoby, Slaton, and Adibi qualified to be a little better than average, at least enough to compensate for Molden.

In the meantime, before we go on, we also need to take into account the signing of UDFA, Brisiel and Butler. These guys may very well replace some of your own draft picks, and they did.

I think you are being a bit generous in your assessment of Slaton & Adibi. Better then average...they are both unemployed last I checked & it seems Slaton was just a 1 hit wonder fluke. Adibi never started & carried the " injury prone" label like no other. That hardly says "better than average" IMO.

Okoye qualifies as a bust, IMO, because he was a Top 10 pick who has been cut by 2 teams(1 team cut him twice) if I recall correctly & never really produced like a top 10 pick. If I recall correctly, he too is unemployed. Once again, I believe you are being a bit generous in your assessments of some players.

srrono 01-21-2013 11:40 PM

Re: A Little Breakdown on Rick Smith
 
I am afraid that if the Texans did change the Coach and GM we could go straight to the bottom again. I mean really how many guys out there are 100% locks to be good at their job. Plain and simple an Elite QB takes you a long way in this league, but If you do not have an Elite QB then the team has to be very good at every other position.


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