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IDEXAN 01-19-2013 12:38 PM

Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Antonio Smith Defensive Lineman 2/28/2009: Signed a five-year, $35.5 million contract. The deal included a $12.5 million signing bonus. 2013: $6 million, 2014: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/hou/
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I was afraid he was to become a FA this year, but not so since we have him thru the season and he does become a FA next year, in 2014.
He's gonna cost us 6 M bucks for 2013: is he worth it, but better yet do you think Smith & Kubiak think he's worth it ?

NCTexan 01-19-2013 12:43 PM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
As much as I like Smith, I don't really want to pay him that much next year. I'd rather pick up a veteran FA WR for a few years. The issue though is outside of Watt, he was the only getting any pressure on the QB.

I think we ended up keeping him, but not resigning him after next season. Maybe draft a DE this season to groom/rotate in?

mussop 01-19-2013 12:44 PM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
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Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2112387)
Antonio Smith Defensive Lineman 2/28/2009: Signed a five-year, $35.5 million contract. The deal included a $12.5 million signing bonus. 2013: $6 million, 2014: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/hou/
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I was afraid he was to become a FA this year, but not so since we have him thru the season and he does become a FA next year, in 2014.
He's gonna cost us 6 M bucks for 2013: is he worth it, but better yet do you think Smith & Kubiak think he's worth it ?

Yes he is worth it. I think they will try and resign him this year with an extension. Hopefully he takes it. I don't see them cutting him this year no matter what.

tru80texan 01-19-2013 12:53 PM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2112387)
Antonio Smith Defensive Lineman 2/28/2009: Signed a five-year, $35.5 million contract. The deal included a $12.5 million signing bonus. 2013: $6 million, 2014: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/hou/
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I was afraid he was to become a FA this year, but not so since we have him thru the season and he does become a FA next year, in 2014.
He's gonna cost us 6 M bucks for 2013: is he worth it, but better yet do you think Smith & Kubiak think he's worth it ?

I mentioned this another thread & said that is quite a bit for Antonio. He did have 1 of his better seasons & I've always respected the intensity that he brings because he was 1 of the 1st high motor guys that helped transform this defense, but the Texans will need to free up cash to resign a couple of key players this offseason & potentially try to lock up Cushing as well. I like Antonio & wouldn't mind keeping him around, but money talks & depending on how the coaches & Smith value Antonio is what really matters. Do they think Crick can replace Antonio or do they consider taking a chance on getting a DE in the draft early & making them an instant starter? Who knows, but 1 thing is for sure...most of us would've never suspected DeMeco to be traded or Winston to be cut last season. Considering Antonio's cost, anything could happen imo.

Hagar 01-19-2013 12:54 PM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Really good teams walk a fine line between maxing out the salary cap and keeping more experienced players. You see it every year with the Steelers and the Pats, each team will release someone you look at and say "Wow, they released him?" I think Smith is a very good player but, at 31, he's not the player he once was and not the heart of our defense anymore. I wouldn't be suprised if they released him.

mussop 01-19-2013 01:07 PM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
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Originally Posted by Hagar (Post 2112396)
Really good teams walk a fine line between maxing out the salary cap and keeping more experienced players. You see it every year with the Steelers and the Pats, each team will release someone you look at and say "Wow, they released him?" I think Smith is a very good player but, at 31, he's not the player he once was and not the heart of our defense anymore. I wouldn't be suprised if they released him.

He had probably his best year as a pro. He is a big part of this defense. If you think Smith isnt worth 6 million wait till you see what Quin and Barwin will get offered on the open market. They will both get offers that we won't match. I see us letting both walk via FA.

You are right its possible. But if you take all things in to consideration (the draft, existing depth, FA and the salary cap) it would be alot harder to replace Smith than either of those guys.

Playoffs 01-19-2013 01:11 PM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Definitely worth it, imo.

Antonio was rated by PFF as the 6th best 3-4 DE in 2012. Watt #1. (34 DEs qualified for >25% of team snaps)

welsh texan 01-19-2013 01:18 PM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
He's definitely worth it, but at his age I believe that we should be able to work something out with him that puts cash in his bank account up front and lowers his salary to a couple of mill per year for say 3 years, plenty of time to look for his eventual replacement, think it was Dutch who came up with that option and if he'd take it that'd be perfect for the team.

Lucky 01-19-2013 01:46 PM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Smith restructured his contract in 2011. I don't know if there is any information regarding what this does to his cap hit, if released. Without that information, it's difficult to make an informed opinion. On the surface, I would say no, that salary needs to come down. I would consider extending Smith to a couple of more years if it would lower his cap number.

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2112405)
If you think Smith isnt worth 6 million wait till you see what Quin and Barwin will get offered on the open market. They will both get offers that we won't match. I see us letting both walk via FA.

I think Barwin should be allowed to test free agency. I wouldn't offer him more than a year. Quin is a solid member of the defense. Not spectacular and not irreplaceable. Manning got 4 years, $20 million in 2011. I could see Quin getting a similar offer, though he's not as good as Manning.

dream_team 01-19-2013 09:57 PM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
What's Jamison's situation? Is he a FA? Is he expected to come back 100%?

That's besides the point. Antonio is our 2nd best pass rusher and the only guy drawing extra attention besides Watt. He's a must to keep around next year.

Excited for Jamison coming back though, he's an ideal backup DE. Crick didn't seem like much of a difference maker out there, but he has room to improve.

ThaShark316 01-19-2013 10:23 PM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Crick kind of hit a rookie wall. He was really good early on; kind of tapered off a bit down the stretch.

Anyway, need to keep this guy for sure.

thunderkyss 01-19-2013 11:35 PM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2112387)
Antonio Smith Defensive Lineman 2/28/2009: Signed a five-year, $35.5 million contract. The deal included a $12.5 million signing bonus. 2013: $6 million, 2014: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/hou/
*******************************************
I was afraid he was to become a FA this year, but not so since we have him thru the season and he does become a FA next year, in 2014.
He's gonna cost us 6 M bucks for 2013: is he worth it, but better yet do you think Smith & Kubiak think he's worth it ?

I don't think we were getting our money's worth out of him, when we signed him to a deal that paid him $8M a year over the first three years.

This year, 2012, I have no problem paying him $8M..... I don't know what his cap number was for the year, or how the contract worked out, I thought he restructured.

His number has got to "fit" within the cap but I wouldn't mind seeing a $6M/yr deal with performance bonuses where a year like 2012 would get him an extra 2-3 mil.

b0ng 01-20-2013 12:09 AM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Same question but for Wade Smith? $3m this year, FA in 2014.

Edit: for reference Mike Briesel was paid 4.35m by the Raiders.

Wolf6151 01-20-2013 12:42 AM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 2112392)
Yes he is worth it. I think they will try and resign him this year with an extension. Hopefully he takes it. I don't see them cutting him this year no matter what.

My sentiments exactly, he's absolutely worth the money. I'd like to see the Texans restructure and extend his contract another 2 yrs. while bringing down the cap hit. JJ Watt might get all the stats but when he does make the play in the backfield most times it's Smith taking on a double team on the other side of the D-line. I see teams handling Cody easily with one blocker. If we get a better NT to take those double teams it will free Smith to make more plays.

Wolf6151 01-20-2013 12:47 AM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
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Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 2112655)
Same question but for Wade Smith? $3m this year, FA in 2014.

Edit: for reference Mike Briesel was paid 4.35m by the Raiders.

I don't know how Wade Smith made the Pro Bowl, but the easy answer to your question is no. Wade Smith is not worth re-signing. I think we should draft his replacement this year in the 2nd or 3rd round and let this rookie sit for a year behind Wade while getting some playing time to learn and then start at LG in 2014.

The Raiders overpaid for a RG.

IDEXAN 01-20-2013 07:22 AM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
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Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2112665)
I don't know how Wade Smith made the Pro Bowl, but the easy answer to your question is no. Wade Smith is not worth re-signing. I think we should draft his replacement this year in the 2nd or 3rd round and let this rookie sit for a year behind Wade while getting some playing time to learn and then start at LG in 2014.

The Raiders overpaid for a RG.

I think we already drafted his replacement in the 3rd or 4th round of last years Draft (2012 Draft). And as to why or how he made it to the PB, the same question could be asked of perhaps a fourth or a third of the guys there ? Several if not many players get to the PB every year for reasons other than their performance on the field.

tru80texan 01-20-2013 08:14 AM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2112665)
I don't know how Wade Smith made the Pro Bowl, but the easy answer to your question is no. Wade Smith is not worth re-signing. I think we should draft his replacement this year in the 2nd or 3rd round and let this rookie sit for a year behind Wade while getting some playing time to learn and then start at LG in 2014.

The Raiders overpaid for a RG.

I think the answer is pretty simple concerning the Pro Bowl. The Pro Bowl is a complete joke & the worst excuse for an "All Star" game in pro sports. It's normally voted on by uninformed fans who can vote multiple times. That's a combination that normally doesn't lead to good things imo. Normally players that play on teams doing well get the votes regardless of their performance. Which normally leads to good players being snubbed year in & year out. Perfect example...Duane Brown. He's been our best o-lineman for quite some time yet Myers made it before him & the year Brown finally makes its the same year Wade Smith gets his 1st. That's a shame imo. At one point during the voting Caldwell was amongst the top vote getters at G & he had already lost his job to Jones. That is a perfect example of how silly it is at times imo.

It's simply a popularity contest not voted on by the most knowledgeable fans. Which is exactly why when someone tries to use Pro Bowls as justification for a players abilities & worth I normally don't pay much mind. Being named All Pro holds a lot more water to me when talking about a players abilities & worth.

thunderkyss 01-20-2013 08:25 AM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2112665)
I don't know how Wade Smith made the Pro Bowl, but the easy answer to your question is no. Wade Smith is not worth re-signing. I think we should draft his replacement this year in the 2nd or 3rd round and let this rookie sit for a year behind Wade while getting some playing time to learn and then start at LG in 2014.

The Raiders overpaid for a RG.

I would think Brooks is his repacement. I think that's why Kubiak rotated him with Ben Jones this year, to get it out of the way. Next year, Brooks will compete with Smith & Jones will start at RG.

I've got concerns about Newton, but he did have a knee thing & that could explain a lot. But the same goes for Smith, he's been battling through stuff as well. If there's reason to believe he can play like 2009, I've got no problem keeping him & starting him if the cap allows.

infantrycak 01-20-2013 08:52 AM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tru80texan (Post 2112707)
It's simply a popularity contest not voted on by the most knowledgeable fans.

Fans only account for one third of the selection. Players and coaches account for the other two thirds.

Goldensilence 01-20-2013 08:55 AM

Re: Will we and/or Should we keep Antonio Smith for the 2013 Season ?
 
Really depends who we are looking at losing this and next year. Smith had a pretty good year, but my bigger concern is about losing Quinn and what's behind him at S, Demps and Keo whom both just are defensive sieves.

Far as I am concerned, Barwin is likely to walk. Down year and it's easier to find a pass rusher outside in this system than it will be to find a suitable replacement at safety because I've seen nothing to suggest this franchise is going to ever invest a high pick at safety.


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