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gary 01-15-2013 12:39 PM

Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
Or will the team finally advance? Thoughts?

BullNation4Life 01-15-2013 12:42 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by gary (Post 2109611)
Or will the team finally advance? Thoughts?

No I think Kubiak will get them to an AFC Championship, even if by accident or inspite of his play calling...

Any further than that? Very seriously doubt it...

Thorn 01-15-2013 12:44 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
As a head coach, Kubiak can win a Super Bowl ONLY if he has a talent filled team with no injuries.

Kubiak does not have what it takes to be a true head coach and improvise with the talent at hand. He just isn't and never will be. Which is why we'll probably have a dozen AFCS titles to our name and no trips to the Super Bowl.

Vinny 01-15-2013 12:46 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by gary (Post 2109611)
Or will the team finally advance? Thoughts?

he is supposed to be an offensive guru but it sure looks like the other NFL teams are driving sports cars while we ride Amish style. Watching the other teams ramp it up and go no huddle and actually attack down-field when they fall behind has me envious. Just watching the casual way this team was in fully mosey in that long 4th quarter drive was enough to harden my opinion on Schaubiak.

Playoffs 01-15-2013 12:47 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
Didn't work out too well the last time a Houston owner fired the Head Coach after going to the playoffs.

steelbtexan 01-15-2013 12:49 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
Nope, Gary will always fill Reliant, until that stops happening dont expect much/if any changes.

Vinny 01-15-2013 12:50 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2109626)
Didn't work out too well the last time a Houston owner fired the Head Coach after going to the playoffs.

Second best team in the league those years were the Oilers. The AFC title game was always the Super Bowl...Pittsburgh beating the NFC team was just a formality. This Texan team isn't that good.

steelbtexan 01-15-2013 12:51 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2109626)
Didn't work out too well the last time a Houston owner fired the Head Coach after going to the playoffs.

Yep,

Living in fear of mistakes made in the past is going to make the future so much brighter. (Sarcasm)

The Pencil Neck 01-15-2013 12:53 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
Only if our owner is Bud Adams.

OR.

If we have a decade of 2nd round losses.

Take this objectively. Take the Texans out of the equation and think about other teams.

Would you have fired Mike Smith at Atlanta after getting to the playoffs several years in a row and losing their first game? Would you have fired Bill Cowher after years of not being able to "win the big one"? Would you have fired Tony Dungy for the same thing?

Before people jump on me and say "you're not mentioning Kubiak in the same sentence as Bill Cowher and Tony Dungy", yes... I am.

McNair wants to follow the Pittsburgh model. And part of that model is being patient with your coaches and general manager and allowing them to assemble the talent and build a franchise that will have a certain mind-set. The Steelers were very patient with Cowher. A lot of people in Pittsburgh wanted him fired because he couldn't win the big game.

We're a young organization and a young team. We're building tradition. We've had 3 winning seasons out of the last 4. We've been to the playoffs 2 seasons in a row and won our division 2 seasons in a row. We've gone 2-2 in playoff games the past 2 years. We took a slight step back this year (even though we have a better record). We have to learn how to improve as we re-tool and prepare for the next season.

Blowing this up now because some fans are frustrated with playcalling is... well... it's not smart and very short sighted.

Thorn 01-15-2013 12:56 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2109626)
Didn't work out too well the last time a Houston owner fired the Head Coach after going to the playoffs.

Can't compare Kubiak and Bum Phillips. Bum was BY FAR the better coach, and more publicy popular. While some fans would be upset with Kubiak being fired, it'd probably have as much to do with any real avaliable prospects to replace him with than being upset he's gone.

BullNation4Life 01-15-2013 01:06 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 2109641)
Only if our owner is Bud Adams.

OR.

If we have a decade of 2nd round losses.

Take this objectively. Take the Texans out of the equation and think about other teams.

Would you have fired Mike Smith at Atlanta after getting to the playoffs several years in a row and losing their first game? Would you have fired Bill Cowher after years of not being able to "win the big one"? Would you have fired Tony Dungy for the same thing?

Before people jump on me and say "you're not mentioning Kubiak in the same sentence as Bill Cowher and Tony Dungy", yes... I am.

McNair wants to follow the Pittsburgh model. And part of that model is being patient with your coaches and general manager and allowing them to assemble the talent and build a franchise that will have a certain mind-set. The Steelers were very patient with Cowher. A lot of people in Pittsburgh wanted him fired because he couldn't win the big game.

We're a young organization and a young team. We're building tradition. We've had 3 winning seasons out of the last 4. We've been to the playoffs 2 seasons in a row and won our division 2 seasons in a row. We've gone 2-2 in playoff games the past 2 years. We took a slight step back this year (even though we have a better record). We have to learn how to improve as we re-tool and prepare for the next season.

Blowing this up now because some fans are frustrated with playcalling is... well... it's not smart and very short sighted.

Dungy did get fired for that reason though. Could get Tampa to the playoffs, but couldn't win the big one. Lost in the playoffs in 99-2000-2001 then got let go and went to Indy and Gruden came in, took Dungy's players and won a Super Bowl...

Cowher needed a QB, when he finally got one, Super Bowl...Had Mike Smith lost that game to Seattle, I think Blank would have started looking for other options...

I don't think the Texans have neither the coach nor the QB to win it all...

fiasco west 01-15-2013 01:09 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 2109641)
Only if our owner is Bud Adams.

OR.

If we have a decade of 2nd round losses.

Take this objectively. Take the Texans out of the equation and think about other teams.

Would you have fired Mike Smith at Atlanta after getting to the playoffs several years in a row and losing their first game? Would you have fired Bill Cowher after years of not being able to "win the big one"? Would you have fired Tony Dungy for the same thing?

Before people jump on me and say "you're not mentioning Kubiak in the same sentence as Bill Cowher and Tony Dungy", yes... I am.

McNair wants to follow the Pittsburgh model. And part of that model is being patient with your coaches and general manager and allowing them to assemble the talent and build a franchise that will have a certain mind-set. The Steelers were very patient with Cowher. A lot of people in Pittsburgh wanted him fired because he couldn't win the big game.

We're a young organization and a young team. We're building tradition. We've had 3 winning seasons out of the last 4. We've been to the playoffs 2 seasons in a row and won our division 2 seasons in a row. We've gone 2-2 in playoff games the past 2 years. We took a slight step back this year (even though we have a better record). We have to learn how to improve as we re-tool and prepare for the next season.

Blowing this up now because some fans are frustrated with playcalling is... well... it's not smart and very short sighted.

Rep for this.

:bravo:

ThaShark316 01-15-2013 01:14 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by BullNation4Life (Post 2109658)
Dungy did get fired for that reason though. Could get Tampa to the playoffs, but couldn't win the big one. Lost in the playoffs in 99-2000-2001 then got let go and went to Indy and Gruden came in, took Dungy's players and won a Super Bowl...

Cowher needed a QB, when he finally got one, Super Bowl...Had Mike Smith lost that game to Seattle, I think Blank would have started looking for other options...

I don't think the Texans have neither the coach nor the QB to win it all...

But see, Gruden was let go because of mediocrity...so was it coaching, or was it "They already had the players"? Take it from me, I was Bucs all day before the Texans came around. Dungy was unjustly fired, btw. But owners like Glazer are the worst kinds of owners to have.

Gruden never coached big time QBs. He turned QBs into much better players, but never got his hands on the elite of the elite. (Gannon was "ehh" before Gruden, for example)

BullNation4Life 01-15-2013 01:20 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by ThaShark316 (Post 2109664)
But see, Gruden was let go because of mediocrity...so was it coaching, or was it "They already had the players"? Take it from me, I was Bucs all day before the Texans came around. Dungy was unjustly fired, btw. But owners like Glazer are the worst kinds of owners to have.

Gruden never coached big time QBs. He turned QBs into much better players, but never got his hands on the elite of the elite. (Gannon was "ehh" before Gruden, for example)

I can agree with that, but Dungy was fired because of the failures in the playoffs. That was the reason for his unjust firing...

If I am not mistaken, wasn't Gruden traded to the Bucs and not fired? Could have sworn Tampa had to give up picks to get Gruden out from under contract with the Raiders...

Specnatz 01-15-2013 01:21 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by BullNation4Life (Post 2109658)
Dungy did get fired for that reason though. Could get Tampa to the playoffs, but couldn't win the big one. Lost in the playoffs in 99-2000-2001 then got let go and went to Indy and Gruden came in, took Dungy's players and won a Super Bowl...

Cowher needed a QB, when he finally got one, Super Bowl...Had Mike Smith lost that game to Seattle, I think Blank would have started looking for other options...

I don't think the Texans have neither the coach nor the QB to win it all...

You forgot to mention he beat a Raiders team who he had coached the previous year. He knew the personnel and for the most part the schemes.

ThaShark316 01-15-2013 01:27 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by BullNation4Life (Post 2109670)
I can agree with that, but Dungy was fired because of the failures in the playoffs. That was the reason for his unjust firing...

If I am not mistaken, wasn't Gruden traded to the Bucs and not fired? Could have sworn Tampa had to give up picks to get Gruden out from under contract with the Raiders...

Oh, not from the Raiders; from the Bucs. I should have been more specific, my bad.

Dungy got screwed. 99 the Bucs get robbed. 2000 and 2001, the Eagles owned them. Eventually (like Seattle and the Rockets), you figure out your main problem and destroy it.

BullNation4Life 01-15-2013 01:35 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by ThaShark316 (Post 2109679)
Oh, not from the Raiders; from the Bucs. I should have been more specific, my bad.

Dungy got screwed. 99 the Bucs get robbed. 2000 and 2001, the Eagles owned them. Eventually (like Seattle and the Rockets), you figure out your main problem and destroy it.

Yes you are correct, Gruden basically lost control of the Ferrari and ran it up a tree in Tampa. Chris Simms? Really?

back to what Neck was saying, his statement was basically, don't give up on a young team. to which in a way, I agree. Texans are young, however, how long can you wait for this young talent to develop under this regime? Cowher was in Pitt for a very long time before getting to the dance and winning it.

I think, with Kubiak, it is a Catch 22. You wait too long, you have wasted the best years of your young players careers and nothing to show for it...Too soon, Kubiak goes to say, Denver, where I think he will eventually end up, and win it all and now you have fans saying, "Texans should have been patient"

Double Barrel 01-15-2013 01:40 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
The only "downfall of Kubiak" that I could ever envision would be the inevitable cycle that teams go through and McNair is forced to sacrifice his head coach due to an abysmal record.

I do not see McNair ever firing Kubiak after a playoff year. Never.

I think Kubiak is a good enough head coach to keep his team in the playoffs for awhile, though, which will keep him in the driver seat for many years to come.

BullNation4Life 01-15-2013 01:42 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 2109692)
The only "downfall of Kubiak" that I could ever envision would be the inevitable cycle that teams go through and McNair is forced to sacrifice his head coach due to an abysmal record.

I do not see McNair ever firing Kubiak after a playoff year. Never.

I think Kubiak is a good enough head coach to keep his team in the playoffs for awhile, though, which will keep him in the driver seat for many years to come.

Ugh, so this is what Chicago Bears fans felt with 9 years of Lovie Smith....:toropalm:

welsh texan 01-15-2013 01:48 PM

Re: Second round losses ultimate downfall of Kubiak?
 
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Originally Posted by ThaShark316 (Post 2109664)
owners like Glazer are the worst kinds of owners to have.

I've got to point out at this comment that the Glazers are on the verge of taking United to the next level over here though. You look at some of the transfer moves they've made, they've been bold in the transfer market time and again, and despite the uproar when they mortgaged the team to buy itself, a lot of the fans have now shut up because they see the money is being put in to keep the team winning. Wait and see in a few years once they've finished repaying the loans how quickly they'll expand that south stand at OT, it'll add over 20,000 extra seats taking the capacity up above 100k, at monumental cost due to them having to canter lever the entire thing backwards over a railway line and into the housing estate behind, yet as soon as they do that no other team on the planet will be able to compete with them financially.

Sound businessmen who find a way to invest in the team where it has an impact. Maybe they've taken their eye off the ball with the bucs somewhat over the past few years but then again the NFL franchises are set up to make a fortune regardless of success while a side like United have to stay at the top if they are to make money.

I don't see them panicking like abramovic or the sheiks at city just because Ferguson fell short in a given year. I really don't think you can berate them for changing to a HC that brought the fans an SB.


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