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TexansSeminole 01-13-2013 06:26 PM

Schaub and Wade Phillips
 
First of all, Schaub has been exposed. He can't consistently make plays or even be expected to start a game on point. He is holding this offense back tremendously with his physical limitations and honestly his decision making.

Wade Phillips needs to adapt or get fired. Welker and Hernandez killed man coverage in the regular season matchup and what do we do today, more man coverage. News flash Wade, you can't use that much man coverage against the Pats. It was clear in the regular season and its even clearer now. What's up with us putting an ILB out on running backs when they line up out wide as receivers? They recognize it and get huge plays every single time. Wade did a horrible job preparing for this game and then adjusting to the game as it went on. Our secondary is not comprised of bad players, we should have been able to hold them to alot less in the passing game.

We need to take a hard look at both Schaub and Wade in the offseason.

TexanSam 01-13-2013 06:29 PM

Wade's defense was fantastic last season and for the first half this season. All the injuries have decimated the entire unit. To even think about firing him is crazy. We suffered through some awful years of non-existant D and people are upset after 6 or 7 games where they weren't elite?

Mr teX 01-13-2013 06:32 PM

Re: Schaub and Wade Phillips
 
I think we've seen the best of wade's defenses....some glaring things have popped out...lb's on wr's continously...no real adjustments out at the half either...this is the exact same way his defenses have faired everywhere he's been..

TexansSeminole 01-13-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanSam (Post 2107356)
Wade's defense was fantastic last season and for the first half this season. All the injuries have decimated the entire unit. To even think about firing him is crazy. We suffered through some awful years of non-existant D and people are upset after 6 or 7 games where they weren't elite?

You think Cushing could have helped us covering Hernandez and Welker in man coverage? No, he can't. Yes, we missed Cushing. Would we have won this game with him or contained Welker and Hernandez more? No. The problem was gameplan and it was clear as day. I don't care how well Wade's defense does against mediocre offenses. I care if he can slow down the elite offenses, and his gameplan was horrible today and will never beat the pats even if we have 3 probowl cornerbacks.

ATXtexanfan 01-13-2013 06:39 PM

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Wade is solid. Schaub sucks. Niners 41 pats 34. Ravens 38 broncos 35. You blame their DCs for the point ts t. this league you gotta score points on offense

Mr. Texan 01-13-2013 06:42 PM

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i overestimated this defense. i thought it would be good enough to stand on it's i own despite a struggling offense like the 2009-2010 jets but that's not the case. they look mediocre against above average qb's.


at this point we should just restart and rebuild the offense and it starts with schaub.

TexansSeminole 01-13-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ATXtexanfan (Post 2107459)
Wade is solid. Schaub sucks. Niners 41 pats 34. Ravens 38 broncos 35. You blame their DCs for the point ts t. this league you gotta score points on offense

Did you watch the game? You don't sit back and look at points at the end of the game. You determine how the opponent's offense was so successful against you, especially in the red zone. The answer was the gameplan. Man coverage nearly all game and poor matchups created by the defensive gameplan. If you can't see that, and go to an argument regarding other teams and other games and points scored, you don't know what your talking about or you didn't watch the game. Simple as that.

Mr teX 01-13-2013 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ATXtexanfan (Post 2107459)
Wade is solid. Schaub sucks. Niners 41 pats 34. Ravens 38 broncos 35. You blame their DCs for the point ts t. this league you gotta score points on offense

Anytime a defense gives up 30 pts or more its a failure dude. Both times we've faced the patriots we've given that up....wade's better than what we've had, but he's got his issues...

Rey 01-13-2013 06:44 PM

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Welker was open too....

dtran04 01-13-2013 06:47 PM

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As long as the Texans don't play teams with spread offenses, they'll be alright.....

So that means Patriots, Packers, Saints, Lions, and many more soon.

Wade has to evolve with the game or he will be left in the dust.

Urlacher in his prime would have a hard time guarding TEs and RBs split way out wide with no help.

TexansSeminole 01-13-2013 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dtran04 (Post 2107521)
As long as the Texans don't play teams with spread offenses, they'll be alright.....

So that means Patriots, Packers, Saints, Lions, and many more soon.

Wade has to evolve with the game or he will be left in the dust.

Urlacher in his prime would have a hard time guarding TEs and RBs split way out wide with no help.

And that is part of my point. You could have 3 pro bowl corners out there and a pro bowl safety to matchup with their TEs and they would still kill you if you use that gameplan. It will never work against a team like the Pats.

Hervoyel 01-13-2013 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr teX (Post 2107489)
Anytime a defense gives up 30 pts or more its a failure dude. Both times we've faced the patriots we've given that up....wade's better than what we've had, but he's got his issues...

Granted. Now accept that if the offense would actually score points and eat clock this shortcoming would be mitigated. The point is that the Patriots offense is so good that even great defenses fail. When that happens offenses have to step up. It's not like the Patriots have this incredible defense. They're not 85 Bears or some ****. Teams score on them.

Just not us. Not when the outcome is in doubt. If Wade has to be worried about the game passing him by then Gary needs to get the **** out of town because the game left his sorry FG kicking predictable play calling ass behind in the middle of the last decade.

Rufus Jarvis 01-13-2013 07:02 PM

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I'd keep Wade. I really like him as a coach.

Dishman 01-13-2013 07:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ATXtexanfan (Post 2107459)
Wade is solid. Schaub sucks. Niners 41 pats 34. Ravens 38 broncos 35. You blame their DCs for the point ts t. this league you gotta score points on offense

Agreed, that was a big theme this weekend.

Thorn 01-13-2013 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hervoyel (Post 2107594)
Granted. Now accept that if the offense would actually score points and eat clock this shortcoming would be mitigated. The point is that this offense is so good that even great defenses fail. When that happens offenses have to step up. It's not like the Patriots have this incredible defense. They're not 85 Bears or some ****. Teams score on them.

Just not us. Not when the outcome is in doubt. If Wade has to be worried about the game passing him by then Gary needs to get the **** out of town because the game left his sorry FG kicking predictable play calling ass behind in the middle of the last decade.

Yep. MSR. Where's the "fire Kubiak" thread? I'm ready to start posting in it again. Although it won't do any good. Kubiak, Schaub and all the rest will be back next year. We'll probably win the AFC south again as well. We are the new Colts. In another decade or so maybe we might actually get to the AFC championship.

TexansSeminole 01-13-2013 07:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hervoyel (Post 2107594)
Granted. Now accept that if the offense would actually score points and eat clock this shortcoming would be mitigated. The point is that this offense is so good that even great defenses fail. When that happens offenses have to step up. It's not like the Patriots have this incredible defense. They're not 85 Bears or some ****. Teams score on them.

Just not us. Not when the outcome is in doubt. If Wade has to be worried about the game passing him by then Gary needs to get the **** out of town because the game left his sorry FG kicking predictable play calling ass behind in the middle of the last decade.

We had a touchdown on that first drive if Casey catches the ball and then if Schaub makes a better throw to AJ in the endZone on the very next play. The problem with the offense is the QB. All this stuff is clear as day guys, it doesn't take an expert to see it. Teams figured out what Schaub can and can't do and have been stopping our run game as a result. Two things he can't do is throw the ball downfield or to the deep sideline route accurately, so we have no big passing plays. Teams are just crowding the middle of the field and selling out on our stretch game. Kubiak is not the problem on offense, the problem is Schaub.

Vinny 01-13-2013 07:06 PM

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this team was out coached on both sides of the ball. Schaub's dinking and dunking a reflection of Kubiaks no risk/no reward style.

fiasco west 01-13-2013 07:07 PM

Re: Schaub and Wade Phillips
 
Who are our LBs?

Outside of Reed, (and the young guys like Mercilus) they can all go.

deucetx 01-13-2013 07:11 PM

Re: Schaub and Wade Phillips
 
Wade definitely has his issues. What is with the team not lining up properly and not knowing who to cover at this point? No excuses for that. He also needs to adjust better and hasn't been able to find a way to make our edge rushers worth a darn all season. It's been all Watt and Smith.

With that said...he's still a top ten defensive coordinator in this league. You don't just toss this out because how many guys that are better are out there? None except maybe one who is arguable and is looking for a head coach job anyway. So Wade just needs to adjust and get some more personnel here. No more ex-cowboys if even the Cowboys don't want them.

Schaub...just no words. He is so limited it isn't even funny. I never understood why we signed him so fast to the extension. I was certain they were going to let the season play out but nope. They rushed it. Just can't see how we haven't already seen the best we'll get from Schaub at this point.

Rey 01-13-2013 07:13 PM

Re: Schaub and Wade Phillips
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole (Post 2107624)
We had a touchdown on that first drive if Casey catches the ball and then if Schaub makes a better throw to AJ in the endZone on the very next play. The problem with the offense is the QB. All this stuff is clear as day guys, it doesn't take an expert to see it. Teams figured out what Schaub can and can't do and have been stopping our run game as a result. Two things he can't do is throw the ball downfield or to the deep sideline route accurately, so we have no big passing plays. Teams are just crowding the middle of the field and selling out on our stretch game. Kubiak is not the problem on offense, the problem is Schaub.

I think Kubiak is conservative by nature, but with Schaub at QB he becomes even more so.

Not a good recipe.

A conservative coach with Chad Pennington/John Kitna at QB = an offense that just can't quite get it done.


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