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76Texan 01-11-2013 04:00 PM

Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Watt high first round pick
Smith high paying FA
Barwin and Reed 2nd rd pick, with Barwin being a vet
Merci another 1st rounder.
Cody a high paying vet, for the position and the number of snaps he plays.
Mitchell is a second rounder (?)
Cushing a first rounder (so what if he's injured, it's not like the O is healthy.)
James and Dobbins both veterans that have been under Wade's system for many years; Sharpton a third round pick, Ruud a vet and also a day two pick I think.
Jackson a first round pick.
So was JJo, besides being a high paying vet.
Manning is another high paying vet.

What does Schaub have on the offensive side?

noxiousdog 01-11-2013 04:04 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Huh? 3 probowl linemen, Arian Foster, and Andre Johnson.

What else does he need?

Realistically, it's on both. The offense should be judged on scoring more than 21 points (NE's average) and the defense limiting them to less than 35.

In game 1, they were equally bad.

EllisUnit 01-11-2013 04:09 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
I'd say because last time we played them the D got back to back to back 3 and out and the Offense got zero points out of those possesions. D can stop them all day but if the Offense don't put points on the board we lose.

TexansBlood 01-11-2013 04:13 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
:wadepalm:

gary 01-11-2013 04:14 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
It is on the staff.

76Texan 01-11-2013 04:17 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
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Originally Posted by ckhouston (Post 2103088)
Seriously?

One of the best LT in the game as well as one of the top centers.

One of the top three receivers in the game.

One of the top three RB in the game, arguably the best. As well as two very good back-ups.

Great TE core led by one of the best in the game.

FB/TE hybrid with some of the best hands I have seen in the NFL.

Walters would be Welker if he were in NE ... same type of player.

Speedster in K-Mart who I think is underutilized, as well as decent receivers in Posey and Jean who, if they had a better QB throwing to them, may already be shining in the league. That why I hope we dont draft another WR with a high pick until we get rid of Schaub. He isnt doing anything to help develop the youngsters.

Matt has everything he needs ... he is the problem.

Lol; you try to sell some of these players to the Pats fans and they wouldn't any.

They will laugh at you with the thought of OD over Gronk, and Graham over Hernandez, Walter over Welker.
The Pats offensive line is better than the Texans this year.
The 3 guys they have at RB at also very potent.

At the end of the day though, just count the numbers on either side of the ball.
Of course, we have good players on the O, too; but we are supposed to have more on the D side.

Hervoyel 01-11-2013 04:19 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
It's on the entire team. I've been harping on Schaub as much as anyone since the offense went fetal but Sunday it's on all of them. They either show up and make a game of it (which they may or may not win) or they roll over and spread em' again.

If that happens it happens.

76Texan 01-11-2013 04:22 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 2103093)
I'd say because last time we played them the D got back to back to back 3 and out and the Offense got zero points out of those possesions. D can stop them all day but if the Offense don't put points on the board we lose.

The D was supposed to continue their domination this year.
Put them on the murderous list.

Can you remember how this D was supposed to claim the number one spot on the NFL this year?

Wasn't that what you counted on for the Texans to make it to the SB before the season started?

utahmark 01-11-2013 04:23 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ckhouston (Post 2103088)
Seriously?

One of the best LT in the game as well as one of the top centers.

One of the top three receivers in the game.

One of the top three RB in the game, arguably the best. As well as two very good back-ups.

Great TE core led by one of the best in the game.

FB/TE hybrid with some of the best hands I have seen in the NFL.

Walters would be Welker if he were in NE ... same type of player.
Speedster in K-Mart who I think is underutilized, as well as decent receivers in Posey and Jean who, if they had a better QB throwing to them, may already be shining in the league. That why I hope we dont draft another WR with a high pick until we get rid of Schaub. He isnt doing anything to help develop the youngsters.

Matt has everything he needs ... he is the problem.

c'mon dude!

gary 01-11-2013 04:24 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
What does shake things up mean in some eyes?

76Texan 01-11-2013 04:26 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Everyone who posts in this thread, I'd like for you to consider the position you took before the season.

What did you expect to get for the Texans to go to the SB?

Did you count on Holliday?
Did you count on ST play sucktitude?
Did you count on a dominant defense?

Did you get any of that?

76Texan 01-11-2013 04:28 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ckhouston (Post 2103110)
I repeat ... if Kevin had Tom Brady throwing to him he would be doing the same things as Wes. They are the same type of player. Wes has just had the advantage of one of the best of all time getting him the ball.

Same type of player?

Never mind, you're out of my league.
Sorry, I can't keep up with you.

dtran04 01-11-2013 04:28 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Only thing similar about Kevin Walter and Wes Welker is their skin color.

Keyshawn Martin is the only one close to Wes Welker but he's not nearly as quick/explosive.

Rey 01-11-2013 04:28 PM

As good as the giants defense was against Brady, they win neither Superbowl without clutch throws by Eli.

Ravens defense played the pats really well last year. Flacco's good game is what had them in position to win a game they should have won.

Schaub is going to have to make some plays. That's just life.

76Texan 01-11-2013 04:31 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2103115)
As good as the giants defense was against Brady, they win neither Superbowl without clutch throws by Eli.

This should go under the other thread. :)

utahmark 01-11-2013 04:32 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ckhouston (Post 2103110)
I repeat ... if Kevin had Tom Brady throwing to him he would be doing the same things as Wes. They are the same type of player. Wes has just had the advantage of one of the best of all time getting him the ball.

I repeat.... C'mon dude! When was the last time you ever saw Kevin Walter return a punt? He does'nt have the skill set so you never will. Wes is a shifty quick hard to cover type player. Walter is a slower larger blocker that can catch. If he was a little bigger he would be an awesome tight end.

76Texan 01-11-2013 04:43 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by utahmark (Post 2103117)
I repeat.... C'mon dude! When was the last time you ever saw Kevin Walter return a punt? He does'nt have the skill set so you never will. Wes is a shifty quick hard to cover type player. Walter is a slower larger blocker that can catch. If he was a little bigger he would be an awesome tight end.

On top of that, the point is the Texans are built to win games with heavy contribution by the D.

Brady might be drafted low due to his miserable numbers at the combine, but he since has been rewarded substantially financial-wise when he proved that you need more than athleticism to be one of the all-time great QB.

The Texans pay Schaub at the average level in the league.
The team is not built to have him carry the load.
It is built to split the load, more of it is supposed to be on the defensive side.

76Texan 01-11-2013 04:50 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
And don't forget that Foster is an UDFA that we gave a hefty contract to as we count on him to bear a good portion of the load offensively.

dc_txtech 01-11-2013 04:50 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ckhouston (Post 2103110)
I repeat ... if Kevin had Tom Brady throwing to him he would be doing the same things as Wes. They are the same type of player. Wes has just had the advantage of one of the best of all time getting him the ball.

Whelp, that's now the dumbest thing I've read all day.

dc_txtech 01-11-2013 04:53 PM

Re: Why is it on Schaub and not the D?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ckhouston (Post 2103130)
Of course I wasn't talking about punt returns.

I think Kevin is a shifty smaller type that can run good routes, make good cuts. Just because he works out doesn't make him a "slow TE type". I don't see that in him. I also think he has good hands and can be a great possession receiver for the right QB. Maybe I see more positives from him than others, and will admit that for the last two years his production has slowed, but for a couple of years when Matt first arrived he was a key contributor.

The hits just keep rolling! 6-3 220 pound Kevin Walter is a shifty smaller type.
He's barely 6 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier than Wes!


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