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gafftop 01-10-2013 04:00 PM

How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
It seems all the talk is about how to score points.

I think we win the game by doing what we can do and that is long time consuming scoring drives.

My feeling is the way we win the game is a couple of time eating drives maybe one in each half that end in TDs and maybe even a couple that end in fgs. Then we make the Pats take time off the clock in a couple of drives and either get a TO or force them into FGs.

Our four drives 35min = 20 points
Pats 2 drives 13 min 1 TO and 1 fg = 3 points
Leaves 12 minutes left of actual game time. 20-3

We need to make the Pats work for their points. No big quick drives.
We need to control the ball run clock and score points. When offense is on that is just what they do.

What do you think is the best way to make the Pats run time off the clock while they have the ball.

I know we are obsessed with being agressive in red zone but really we need to play within our capabilities. Schaub can only do what he is capable. If he tries to do something he physically can't do, or forces the ball it will be a repeat of earlier this year or last year against the Ravens.

I remember feeling after last year's Ravens game that if TJ had just played like he did against Cincy the week before we would have won that game. Tj forced the ball and made a lot of mistakes.

I hope MS doesn't make the same mistake this year.

So my question is what is best way to get the Pats to take time off the clock ?

76Texan 01-10-2013 04:10 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
Rushing 3 or 4 isn't a bad idea, but you have to be willing to watch Brady move the ball methodically downfield like Peyton did against us under Richard Smith and Frank Bush.

Avoid big plays, but their offense might be on the field for a long stretch.
Then you have to stop them in the RZ and limit them to a FG.

On the other side of the ball, we need to be able to do the same.

Make it like a half-court basketball game.

And still we need to do well on ST to have a chance.
I hope for a low scoring game.

You watch and both teams will go crazy, scoring a gazillion points each, LOL.

gafftop 01-10-2013 04:23 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
I really think is our best bet. Limit the possesions. Kind of like Princeton does in basketball. I think if NE has the ball say 20 times and we have the ball 20 they get more points than we do. But if we each get the ball 3 times I think we obviously have a better chance of scoring as many or more points.
One mistake under those circumstances means a lot more.

Long point producing drives hopefully ending in TDs is the key.
Slow down the Pats and make them go methodically down the field also.

Foxboro Steve 01-10-2013 05:12 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
The Giants have shown how you beat us. You need 4 quality pass rushers, dropping everyone else into coverage. Rattle Brady. He'll pick you apart if you blitz.

gtexan02 01-10-2013 05:15 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxboro Steve (Post 2102395)
The Giants have shown how you beat us. You need 4 quality pass rushers, dropping everyone else into coverage. Rattle Brady. He'll pick you apart if you blitz.

Exactly. The Pats have lost to the Giants in the superbowl because they couldn't score. Not because the Giants put up big numbers. I think the Patriots scored 14 points last superbowl. Thats way below their season average. If the game goes above 20, theres a good chance we lose

aussie_texan 01-10-2013 05:37 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
like all games its about 3rd downs, be them offensive or defensive. if we play well on 3rd down we have a good shot if not well it will be over pretty quickly

powda 01-10-2013 05:57 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
No turnovers
no big plays
no special teams td's
no defensive td's

Get:

Turnovers
Big plays
special teams td's
defensive td's

Playing field position shouldn't happen till the 4th quarter. Anything past the 50 yard line is 4 down territory.Understand that on 3rd down. Zero penalties. Let them stall their own drives by being the more disciplined team. USE CASEY as a receiver out of the back field. Daniels better have a good game as well. Defensively we play conservative on the 1st drive or 2nd and let them show their hand. They can take 3-4 yard gains...on the first couple of drives. I dont wanna get down early. 3rd-4th defensive drives should be kill brady with a lotto bounty.. and I don't care what the score is on those drives. Hurt brady and make them run. Dont be scared to mix zone and man coverage, and stop calling the same damn coverage all game long. Dont show your blitz till the ball is snapped.

On offense i want a tempo between hury up and standard. Thats when we play best. Get schaub in the game early on rhythm with say 6-8 quick short completions. Use the pass to set up the run. Take a shot deep if it's there with Aj. He needs to be in this game. Gimme some misdirection early and alter the snap count. Their game plan is going to be like ours...rattle the qb.

thunderkyss 01-10-2013 06:01 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gafftop (Post 2102348)
So my question is what is best way to get the Pats to take time off the clock ?

I think it's best if we don't play games. Keep doing what we do, get after Brady & get him off the field.

Yeah, yeah.... I've heard all the "Brady will eat up the blitz & carve up your secondary" talk. But, we had a pretty good stretch in that game where we held Brady to 1 score over basically a 2 quarter period.

Holding Brady to 14-21 points, I like our chances.

Trying to do the same thing, playing a style we have never played before just doesn't make sense to me.

If we stopped their opening drive, had the ref not called that ticky tack PI & Schaub not thrown that INT, we lead 7-0 & it's a totally different game.

We need to play Houston Texans Football & not look back. If our best isn't good enough it's not good enough, but it's who we are.

thunderkyss 01-10-2013 06:03 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aussie_texan (Post 2102405)
like all games its about 3rd downs, be them offensive or defensive. if we play well on 3rd down we have a good shot if not well it will be over pretty quickly

What if we play well on 3rd down & they play well on 3rd down?

aussie_texan 01-10-2013 06:37 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2102415)
What if we play well on 3rd down & they play well on 3rd down?

wont be good enough. our defence needs to be able to get off the field

Rey 01-10-2013 06:57 PM

It's been so hard avoiding these threads. I have made a commitment to avoiding all negative talk.

With that said, I'm glad there has been so much disrespect coming from NE. Maybe that will get those people fired up to play.

Dread-Head 01-10-2013 10:28 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
:thinking: Bring guns unto the field? We're from Texas...they wouldn't be too surprised.

Texan_Bill 01-10-2013 10:39 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
Quote:

How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
Show pictures of me sexing Giselle to Tom Brady right before the game????

I got skillz! :wild:

Texan_Bill 01-10-2013 10:40 PM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
Either that, or show Brady the latest line of Uggs... He'll dig that!

coltfan123 01-11-2013 12:47 AM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
I beleive this is more on the coaches then the players..nobody is better agaisnt the blitz yet last matchup wade blitzed alot. And worse of all didnt make any adjustments. There is no way the texans can beat the patriots if they cant adjust. Man on man coverage will give brady a field day. I really hope kubiak and co learned during regular season.

Marcus 01-11-2013 01:57 AM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
The only way we have any chance of making this even a close ball game . . .

. . . is to win the coin toss, get the ball first, and take it down the field and score. Not a FG, but a TD. Because if we don't do that, and Brady takes it downfield and scores, then that will put tremendous pressure to score on Schaub, and I don't think he's capable of handling that type of pressure. And if they fail to score again . . . it will already be over. TV is turned off.

Norg 01-11-2013 03:29 AM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
we tried the Giants and Pittburg formula on beating the pats ( pittsburg did it last year) of just rushing 4 and dropping everyone else man to man coverge i didnt work Brady scored 5 TD well when we did it it didnt work

Since i think we wont get no pressure on Brady anywayz with 3 rushers or hell 5 rushers

we just play our true 3-4 D meaning only rushing 3 and dropping everyone else in a zone/walk around confuse pre snap coverege

i say we dont respect the pats run game and hope JJwatt COdy and Ninja can stop there run game with just 3 down linemen

Wolf6151 01-11-2013 04:00 AM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
JMO:

1. Our O-line has to control the LOS thus allowing us to have an effective running game to control the clock and keep Brady on his sideline. Foster will also have the opportunity to bust a few big plays. These extended drives will eat up the clock and must end with a TD in over half the possessions.

2. Our D-line must be able to pressure Brady up the middle without blitzes and knock Brady around even if we don't get the sack, and we have to do this early in the game. Brady doesn't like pressure in his face or getting knocked around, it rattles him. Everyone else must drop into coverage and jam his receivers at the LOS.

3. We have to play mistake free, no false start penalties, no holding penalties, no pass interference penalties, no offsides penalties. We must play disciplined and smart. No dropped passes or missed blocks, every down is critical because it may be your last. No mistakes by Kubiak on clock management or challenges.

4. Special teams have to play well, don't give up a TD, and win the field position battle.

5. We must start out playing hot and get on top of NE early, we can't try to play catch up with them, Brady is to good for that.

Grams 01-11-2013 06:40 AM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
The key to winning this game is on the coaching staff -

Will our coaches have our team as prepared to play as Belicheck will have the Pats prepared to play?

Will our guys be as mentally prepared to play a full 60 minutes of play-off football as the Pats.

Untill we learn how to play with the big boys and win the big games, we will always be the little red-headed step child.

Foxboro Steve 01-11-2013 08:50 AM

Re: How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dread-Head (Post 2102566)
:thinking: Bring guns unto the field? We're from Texas...they wouldn't be too surprised.

LMAO

The game's in Mass. You'd have to forfeit because everyone would be doing a mandatory 18mos. for possession of a handgun.

Disclosure: Before everyone mounts me for being a liberal Massachusetts Yankee... I am not in Mass., and I believe in the second amendment.


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