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Perki-Perk 12-31-2012 11:41 AM

Just a possible observation..
 
Has anyone else noticed the body language of most of the players, with the exception of JJ Watt and K Jax, and maybe a couple of others?

To me, and it may just be me, it seems they have given up on their coaches.

I have to imagine, as it's frustrating for fans, they players have to be tired of the 3rd and long draws and screens, the not going for it on fourth when trailing, and the overall bad playcalling.

As a business manager, I would think Mr. McNair would have to look at that as well as the bigger picture and not just the record.

Will one and done this year be acceptable to Mr. McNair?

Will he still think we are on the right track?

I have tried to stick with Kubiak and Shaub...but they just don't seem to be the ones that can get us over the hump.

For the last 10 years, I didn't expect much as a fan, but I still had a great time rooting and enjoyed our wins. For the last 3, it has just been heartbreaking. We have the talent, I know this for certain, but we are missing some key ingredients to be a contender. Heart, intensity, and even courage seem to be lacking on 70% of the team.

I know these players used to play their hearts out for Kubes...but it just doesn't look or feel that way anymore.

I hope Bob McNair makes the right decision if we get bounced from the first round this year and realized he needs to capitalize on his current stock of assets and find better management.

Thoughts?

amazing80 12-31-2012 11:45 AM

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Honestly when I watch I see the offensive players disgusted with the play calling and the qb play...the expressions by Aj and Foster are clear as day to me

Perki-Perk 12-31-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by amazing80 (Post 2093704)
Honestly when I watch I see the offensive players disgusted with the play calling and the qb play...the expressions by Aj and Foster are clear as day to me

See, I notice that too. It's like they are in the huddle and Shaub calls the play and they trot out all depressed, like, "Really?"

You also notice, that when something big is drawn up, they come out more excited. You can see it in their body language.

I also think the defense has gotten to the point to where they are trying to force that fumble or make the big play everytime because of our offensive ineptitude, which is why they've looked subpar.

There is something mentally wrong with this team right now and it starts at the top.

I think they "Kubiak ass chwing" was a farce, and never really happened." He's so, "Aw Shucks" and it sickens me when it comes to coaching. I'd love to keep Kubiak and Wade as coordinators, but it'd be demoralizing to for Kubes to get demoted, but may be a wake up call. If I was McNair, I would have Have swapped Wade and Kubiak's responsibilities after the New England blow out.

We have gotten this way as a society though, where we except mediocrity and how dare you call out failure or you are not a fan at all. It's sad, but that's where we're headed as a country, and as a people.

texanhead08 12-31-2012 12:41 PM

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When is the last time the defense forced a turnover other than the one we had taken away yesterday.

thunderkyss 12-31-2012 12:43 PM

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:tinfoil:

mike moffat 12-31-2012 12:51 PM

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Everything here is true. Kube needs a phone call today. Don't wait to lose next Saturday.

texanhead08 12-31-2012 12:52 PM

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Demps got benched for giving up a big play in the last Colts game, and he did the same **** yesterday.

thunderkyss 12-31-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by texanhead08 (Post 2093764)
Demps got benched for giving up a big play in the last Colts game, and he did the same **** yesterday.

He's got to be getting a kick-back. If he ends up on the Colts next year (ala Jacoby Jones), I swear I'm going to blow a gasket.

srrono 12-31-2012 01:02 PM

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1 thing I have noticed as far as our DEF drop off is guys are not running to the ball. I see a lot of guys standing watching others make plays. At the start of the season it seemed like everyone was running to the ball. Group tackling all the time, now 1 guy misses a tackle its a long gain with guys just watching.

Say Watt 12-31-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by amazing80 (Post 2093704)
Honestly when I watch I see the offensive players disgusted with the play calling and the qb play...the expressions by Aj and Foster are clear as day to me

Agree completely. Rep to you and the OP as well.

I was telling my friends the same thing yesterday. They just look totally deflated like they know what Kubiak is doing isn't going to work. I don't remember when it was, or even what quarter, but I remember there being a running play on 1st or 2nd down and the defense had stacked the box. Everyone and their mother KNEW the Texans were running the football. There was no question about it. And just the way the offense ran, it looked like they were in slow motion just running through the motions knowing the play would fail. Schaub couldn't audible out of it (because apparently he isn't allowed to) and sure enough Arian was stopped for a loss. It was pathetic.

So yeah, I agree. This team has quit IMO, but our team is full of choir boys who won't stand up and say anything.

Say Watt 12-31-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by srrono (Post 2093777)
1 thing I have noticed as far as our DEF drop off is guys are not running to the ball. I see a lot of guys standing watching others make plays. At the start of the season it seemed like everyone was running to the ball. Group tackling all the time, now 1 guy misses a tackle its a long gain with guys just watching.

I might be doing the same thing if I was risking life and limb for a coach that doesn't even have enough faith in his team to watch a ****ing field goal.

DX-TEX 12-31-2012 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Say Watt (Post 2093800)
Agree completely. Rep to you and the OP as well.

I was telling my friends the same thing yesterday. They just look totally deflated like they know what Kubiak is doing isn't going to work. I don't remember when it was, or even what quarter, but I remember there being a running play on 1st or 2nd down and the defense had stacked the box. Everyone and their mother KNEW the Texans were running the football. There was no question about it. And just the way the offense ran, it looked like they were in slow motion just running through the motions knowing the play would fail. Schaub couldn't audible out of it (because apparently he isn't allowed to) and sure enough Arian was stopped for a loss. It was pathetic.

So yeah, I agree. This team has quit IMO, but our team is full of choir boys who won't stand up and say anything.

Goes hand in hand with Lance Z latest:

http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootbal...has-to-fix-it/

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When the Texans had a ground game and defense like they had last year, they could simply impose their will on the Bengals and even the Ravens in the playoffs. T.J. Yates wasn’t ready to win on the road in Baltimore, but the Texans did what they needed to on both sides of the ball thanks to the ground game and the defense. Those elements aren’t the same this year so the entire idea of “imposing your will” has to be shelved. It’s no longer about “the system,” coach. It’s about putting the pieces together and crafting a gameplan that causes concern on that other sideline.

Hervoyel 12-31-2012 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by texanhead08 (Post 2093746)
When is the last time the defense forced a turnover other than the one we had taken away yesterday.

Ok, when was the last time the offense got out in front of somebody and made the other teams offense start taking chances to get back in a game? Find an opportunistic defense and they're usually playing for a team that's playing from in front. As we stopped getting all over people from the opening kickoff we stopped getting as many turnovers. Conversely as we began falling behind in games suddenly we were the ones getting taken advantage of in this regard.

Say Watt 12-31-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DX-TEX (Post 2093807)
Goes hand in hand with Lance Z latest:

http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootbal...has-to-fix-it/

Rep to you. That is a fantastic read. Honestly, I think LZ would make a better head coach than Gary Kubiak.

Wolf6151 12-31-2012 01:39 PM

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McNair needs to have a come to Jesus meeting with Kubiak today. He needs to stick his foot up Kube's ass.

markn 12-31-2012 01:41 PM

This is a great thread with a very good post to start it off. LZ's blog entry linked above is also very illuminating. Kudos.

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Originally Posted by Perki-Perk (Post 2093700)
As a business manager, I would think Mr. McNair would have to look at that as well as the bigger picture and not just the record.

Will one and done this year be acceptable to Mr. McNair?

Will he still think we are on the right track?

I think the answers to those questions are partly addressed by the preceding statement. Bob is a business manager; and regardless of how we feel about the current regime he's got to be happy with the way the business is going: full stadium, waiting list for season tickets, merchandise through the roof and one of the most highly rated franchises by value in world sport. I know Mr McNair says all the right things in public about wanting a championship team, but I don't think he's going to risk everything else he's got by making radical changes to a successful business.

Say Watt 12-31-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hervoyel (Post 2093808)
Ok, when was the last time the offense got out in front of somebody and made the other teams offense start taking chances to get back in a game? Find an opportunistic defense and they're usually playing for a team that's playing from in front. As we stopped getting all over people from the opening kickoff we stopped getting as many turnovers. Conversely as we began falling behind in games suddenly we were the ones getting taken advantage of in this regard.

Nailed it again, Herv. You are exactly correct. Too many people just look at stats instead of watching football games. Most turnovers are a result of offenses getting too risky. And how do you make offenses get risky? By putting the freaking ball in the freaking end zone!

We aren't getting turnovers because we simply aren't scoring the football. Teams are able to play conservative most of the game because they know eventually this team is going to give up a big play or two and our offense can't score to save their lives.

Simply pathetic.

GuerillaBlack 12-31-2012 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Say Watt (Post 2093800)
Agree completely. Rep to you and the OP as well.

I was telling my friends the same thing yesterday. They just look totally deflated like they know what Kubiak is doing isn't going to work. I don't remember when it was, or even what quarter, but I remember there being a running play on 1st or 2nd down and the defense had stacked the box. Everyone and their mother KNEW the Texans were running the football. There was no question about it. And just the way the offense ran, it looked like they were in slow motion just running through the motions knowing the play would fail. Schaub couldn't audible out of it (because apparently he isn't allowed to) and sure enough Arian was stopped for a loss. It was pathetic.

So yeah, I agree. This team has quit IMO, but our team is full of choir boys who won't stand up and say anything.

Yeah their expresions were pretty bad. Especially the one where AJ facepalmed and OD was also looking all confused. The body language has been terrible since the NE game. The last time I have seen this team all smiles was the Thanksgiving game. Everyone looks pissed off, on both offense and defense. Kubiak is a crappy playcaller. Its so easy to call out the plays when you watch them since they are so predictable. I don't know if Schaub isn't allowed to audible, or just isn't capable, too. It was pretty sad seeing a rookie audible out of plays and carve the defense up a bit.

Perki-Perk 12-31-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack (Post 2093832)
Yeah their expresions were pretty bad. Especially the one where AJ facepalmed and OD was also looking all confused. The body language has been terrible since the NE game. The last time I have seen this team all smiles was the Thanksgiving game. Everyone looks pissed off, on both offense and defense. Kubiak is a crappy playcaller. Its so easy to call out the plays when you watch them since they are so predictable. I don't know if Schaub isn't allowed to audible, or just isn't capable, too. It was pretty sad seeing a rookie audible out of plays and carve the defense up a bit.

I think what really sold me on it was when AJ just let the ball sail through his arms. I had my feelings, had my beliefs but the fan in me kept overlooking them. When AJ non chalantly attempted to catch that sure fire TD, I just knew this team was done playing for Kubiak. Being a "contender" and then being blown out by the likes of Rodgers and Brady because of coaching ineptitude has to be disheartening.

I've also seen some terrible to almost biased officiating against the Texans since the Lions game. Some of it has been downright terrible. I'll have to watch again with out my battle red glasses on, but I don't think the league fancies the Texans much.

Say Watt 12-31-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack (Post 2093832)
Yeah their expresions were pretty bad. Especially the one where AJ facepalmed and OD was also looking all confused. The body language has been terrible since the NE game. The last time I have seen this team all smiles was the Thanksgiving game. Everyone looks pissed off, on both offense and defense. Kubiak is a crappy playcaller. Its so easy to call out the plays when you watch them since they are so predictable. I don't know if Schaub isn't allowed to audible, or just isn't capable, too. It was pretty sad seeing a rookie audible out of plays and carve the defense up a bit.

Agreed. Rep to you as well.

I just don't understand what McNair isn't seeing. He obviously must really hate football, because there is no way he has been watching this team the last few years.

Go research my posts. You might also have to look under the name ckw, but I have been calling for Kubiak's head since 8-8 round 2. The guy simply does not have "it". He is too busy staring at his playbook hoping for that "eureka" moment that never comes. I got back on the bandwagon to be a good Texans fan midway through last season. I figured ok, all Kubiak needed was a good defensive coach. I'll give him a chance.

So surely now that we have a great defensive coach, surely the offense is going to keep playing well, putting up 25 per game, and we would be a legit Super Bowl contender. Wrong!!!

Same problems. Defense quit playing out of their mind and what does the offense do? Nothing.

This team has given up on Gary. Now it is time Bob does the same thing.


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