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Stemp 12-26-2012 09:53 AM

Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
The way people are talking around here, you'd think this team was on the outside looking in with no shot at the playoffs instead of playing for the #1 overall seed.

I'm not sure I've seen a more miserable fanbase for a 12-3 team.

Hookem Horns 12-26-2012 09:56 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
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Originally Posted by Stemp (Post 2088494)
I'm not sure I've seen a more miserable fanbase for a 12-3 team.

Did you see the game on Sunday?

ThaShark316 12-26-2012 10:01 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
I'll repeat it:

Football fans, for the most part, hate everything.

Stemp 12-26-2012 10:03 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
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Originally Posted by Hookem Horns (Post 2088496)
Did you see the game on Sunday?

Yes, I saw all 3 losses. I also saw the win the week before as well as the other 11 wins.

eriadoc 12-26-2012 10:08 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stemp (Post 2088494)
The way people are talking around here, you'd think this team was on the outside looking in with no shot at the playoffs instead of playing for the #1 overall seed.

I'm not sure I've seen a more miserable fanbase for a 12-3 team.

I'll pose two questions to you:

How do you think Texans fans would feel if they had started out 0-3 but were now 12-3? There's historical precedent to answer that, if you've lived in Houston long enough. How do you think fans would feel if the team had lost to the Packers and Patriots in a close, hard fought game?

This 12-3 argument is akin to arguing that Tebow is a good QB because the Broncos went to the playoffs with him last year. There are indicators and signs that belie the record. More importantly, record doesn't matter in the playoffs. Everyone is 0-0 and you can't lose.

ThaShark316 12-26-2012 10:09 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
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Originally Posted by eriadoc (Post 2088505)
I'll pose two questions to you:

How do you think Texans fans would feel if they had started out 0-3 but were now 12-3? There's historical precedent to answer that, if you've lived in Houston long enough. How do you think fans would feel if the team had lost to the Packers and Patriots in a close, hard fought game?

I seriously, SERIOUSLY think that depends on who you ask.

BullNation4Life 12-26-2012 10:09 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stemp (Post 2088494)
The way people are talking around here, you'd think this team was on the outside looking in with no shot at the playoffs instead of playing for the #1 overall seed.

I'm not sure I've seen a more miserable fanbase for a 12-3 team.

It simple, the record is not reflecting what the eyes are seeing. This team for the last 6 weeks has played bad football, on both sides if the ball. The All Mighty Wade Phillips (Fools Gold Phillips as he is known around my house)defense has been hemorging for a while, and the all great Kubiaks conservative offense has been so unconsistent.

This team may in fact win a #1 seed, but they damn sure have not played like a #1 seed...that is the freaking misery of it all...

amazing80 12-26-2012 10:10 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
Its not that we're losing its HOW we're losing.

EllisUnit 12-26-2012 10:11 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stemp (Post 2088494)
The way people are talking around here, you'd think this team was on the outside looking in with no shot at the playoffs instead of playing for the #1 overall seed.

I'm not sure I've seen a more miserable fanbase for a 12-3 team.

Just miserable with how the team has played 2 of the last 3 weeks. Our effort to secure home field last week just wasn't very inspiring for most on here.

BullNation4Life 12-26-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by amazing80 (Post 2088509)
Its not that we're losing its HOW we're losing.

Some of it is also how they are winning...

eriadoc 12-26-2012 10:15 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
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Originally Posted by ThaShark316 (Post 2088506)
I seriously, SERIOUSLY think that depends on who you ask.

Which question? The first one was answered in 1993 when the Oilers started off 1-4 and ended up 12-4 to finish the season. This city was PUMPED. Contrast that with how the city's fans feel as a whole right now. Empirically speaking, that question has been answered, and it proves the point.

As to the second question, I think it's fairly evident that people would have the notion that the Texans would have a shot against the top teams if they would have even put up a fight in those games. As it stands, people don't really have much faith that the Texans can beat a top team, or at least, a team with a top QB. When you couple those losses with things like letting bad teams hang around, letting Chad Henne put up 400 yards, and watching the Vikings beat them all around on Sunday, then yeah, people aren't going to pumping sunshine. That's just reality, record be damned.

Hervoyel 12-26-2012 10:24 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stemp (Post 2088494)
The way people are talking around here, you'd think this team was on the outside looking in with no shot at the playoffs instead of playing for the #1 overall seed.

I'm not sure I've seen a more miserable fanbase for a 12-3 team.

So if you see something that you find fault with and mention it in here then you're a "miserable fan"? I just don't understand that, probably never will. See, most of you ****ing clones think you're either with us or against us. You either got your Texans gear on and you're waving your little flag and everything is coming up roses or you're a "hater" and must be leading a miserable life where you can never be happy and never appreciate what you've been lucky enough to be given.

What kind of Black/White world do you live in? I see Gray everywhere. I'm happy with what's working, wanting to see improvement with what's not, and frustrated with things that seem to go unaddressed for years and years. I'm going to point at the naked emperor and say that he's nekkid if he doesn't have any clothes on (doesn't mean I hate him) and I'm going to applaud him when he does something great (doesn't mean he's infallible). The one thing I hate about this place is that if you don't agree with what all the posters around you have to say then you're somehow a bad fan and you don't know what you're looking at. It's always been that way here and before at the other board. Maybe it's part of being a sports fan or something, I don't know. Texecutioner lately spends more time telling people that they aren't qualified to talk about football than anyone I've ever seen. and now you're going to wade in and complain about all the miserable fans? Guess what? I'm not miserable. I'm perfectly happy with my football experience this year. Could it be better? Sure.

If it ends in one of these :trophy: and not a bunch of these :kubepalm:

then yes, it will be better. Even if it doesn't it's the best season they've ever had. What's not to like? Why does dissent about details or the play of a few guys have to translate into my being miserable fan to you? You see, instead of discussing the relative merits of these things (I think we need to go in another direction at QB, maybe you don't agree, we go back and forth... you know) instead we get all this posing and posturing from a bunch of fans who think they're self appointed fan-ambassadors or something. Like Saudi "moral police" they run up and down the board telling people that they are whiners for not whistling Zip-a-Dee-Doo-da out their asses because the Texans have 12 wins. To me that is what makes a miserable fan.

And you know what else? Any dip**** who stumbles in here is qualified to talk about football. Get off your high horses with all this BS about who is or isn't qualified to talk about this team and this game. If you care about the outcome of these games and wins have you walking on air or losses make you die inside you are qualified to talk about football. You might not be qualified to play it, coach it, or be an NFL GM but you can damn sure talk about it.

amazing80 12-26-2012 10:25 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
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Originally Posted by BullNation4Life (Post 2088515)
Some of it is also how they are winning...

Agreed. :htown2atx:

Hookem Horns 12-26-2012 10:26 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
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Originally Posted by eriadoc (Post 2088516)
That's just reality, record be damned.

Exactly, record has nothing to do with it.

I am pretty sure the 10-5 Seahawks fanbase is a little more pumped right now than ours.

This team has not been impressive in weeks and has lost the last 2 out of 3 with those losses being blowouts.

You can't blame the fanbase for having a "wheels have come off" feeling right now.

Rey 12-26-2012 10:28 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
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Originally Posted by Hervoyel (Post 2088520)
So if you see something that you find fault with and mention it in here then you're a "miserable fan"? I just don't understand that, probably never will. See, most of you ****ing clones think you're either with us or against us. You either got your Texans gear on and you're waving your little flag and everything is coming up roses or you're a "hater" and must be leading a miserable life where you can never be happy and never appreciate what you've been lucky enough to be given.

What kind of Black/White world do you live in? I see Gray everywhere. I'm happy with what's working, wanting to see improvement with what's not, and frustrated with things that seem to go unaddressed for years and years. I'm going to point at the naked emperor and say that he's nekkid if he doesn't have any clothes on (doesn't mean I hate him) and I'm going to applaud him when he does something great (doesn't mean he's infallible). The one thing I hate about this place is that if you don't agree with what all the posters around you have to say then you're somehow a bad fan and you don't know what you're looking at. It's always been that way here and before at the other board. Maybe it's part of being a sports fan or something, I don't know. Texecutioner lately spends more time telling people that they aren't qualified to talk about football than anyone I've ever seen. and now you're going to wade in and complain about all the miserable fans? Guess what? I'm not miserable. I'm perfectly happy with my football experience this year. Could it be better? Sure.

If it ends in one of these :trophy: and not a bunch of these :kubepalm:

then yes, it will be better. Even if it doesn't it's the best season they've ever had. What's not to like? Why does dissent about details or the play of a few guys have to translate into my being miserable fan to you? You see, instead of discussing the relative merits of these things (I think we need to go in another direction at QB, maybe you don't agree, we go back and forth... you know) instead we get all this posing and posturing from a bunch of fans who think they're self appointed fan-ambassadors or something. Like Saudi "moral police" they run up and down the board telling people that they are whiners for not whistling Zip-a-Dee-Doo-da out their asses because the Texans have 12 wins. To me that is what makes a miserable fan.

:specnatz::tiphat:

rep.

ThaShark316 12-26-2012 10:30 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eriadoc (Post 2088516)
Which question? The first one was answered in 1993 when the Oilers started off 1-4 and ended up 12-4 to finish the season. This city was PUMPED. Contrast that with how the city's fans feel as a whole right now. Empirically speaking, that question has been answered, and it proves the point.

As to the second question, I think it's fairly evident that people would have the notion that the Texans would have a shot against the top teams if they would have even put up a fight in those games. As it stands, people don't really have much faith that the Texans can beat a top team, or at least, a team with a top QB. When you couple those losses with things like letting bad teams hang around, letting Chad Henne put up 400 yards, and watching the Vikings beat them all around on Sunday, then yeah, people aren't going to pumping sunshine. That's just reality, record be damned.

Agreed completely.

I can't fault folks for being skeptical...that said...Texans fans...?

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ (why so serious?)

thunderkyss 12-26-2012 10:51 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
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Originally Posted by Hervoyel (Post 2088520)
So if you see something that you find fault with and mention it in here then you're a "miserable fan"?

For me, the answer is no. Nothing wrong with fans who are constructively critical of their team. The ones that I think are "miserable" fans are the ones who rip the team when they are down. We lose a game then it's "they can't do this" "they can't do that" "they're worthless here, they're worthless there" but when we win it's "we're number one" "we're the number one team" "we're the beat"

We aren't on the field getting hammered. We aren't in the locker room. We can't do crap to fix it. But supporting your team means being supportive. Let's say your brother is an alcoholic. Are you being supportive if you tear him a new one if he falls off the wagon? You don't need to be an enabler, just be honest. Let him know you are there for him.

We've got issues, going into Indy isn't going to be easy. But acting like we already lost. Cussing Gary for screwing up "our" play off seeding. Cutting Matt Schaub for losing a game we haven't played, that's not being supportive, that's not being a fan.

When your comments sound like the same crap a tacks fan would be saying here, you aren't being supportive, you aren't being a fan. Period.

michaelm 12-26-2012 10:56 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stemp (Post 2088494)
The way people are talking around here, you'd think this team was on the outside looking in with no shot at the playoffs instead of playing for the #1 overall seed.

I'm not sure I've seen a more miserable fanbase for a 12-3 team.


2007 Dallas Cowboys:

At one point 12-1.
Stumbled to a 13-3 record, but ended up as #1 seed with 1st round bye, and home field throughout playoffs.
Lost their first playoff game at home to the 10-6 New York Giants, who peaked at the right time, and went on to win the Super Bowl.

This Texans season is looking very similar to that Cowboys season, much to my chagrin, and the delight of my jackass Cowgirls fan friend who pointed out the similarities to me.

This Texans team is not currently good enough to go to the Super Bowl, despite their current record.
If you can't see that, you are an extreme homer, or just extraordinarily optimistic.

Tailgate 12-26-2012 11:00 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stemp (Post 2088494)
The way people are talking around here, you'd think this team was on the outside looking in with no shot at the playoffs instead of playing for the #1 overall seed.

I'm not sure I've seen a more miserable fanbase for a 12-3 team.

So you think this team is a Super Bowl favorite??? Because thats what a 12-3 team would normally imply, correct?

Mr teX 12-26-2012 11:00 AM

Re: Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
 
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Originally Posted by michaelm (Post 2088537)
2007 Dallas Cowboys:

At one point 12-1.
Stumbled to a 13-3 record, but ended up as #1 seed with 1st round bye, and home field throughout playoffs.
Lost their first playoff game at home to the 10-6 New York Giants, who peaked at the right time, and went on to win the Super Bowl.

This Texans season is looking very similar to that Cowboys season, much to my chagrin, and the delight of my jackass Cowgirls fan friend who pointed out the similarities to me.

This Texans team is not currently good enough to go to the Super Bowl, despite their current record.
If you can't see that, you are an extreme homer, or just extraordinarily optimistic.

2010 Falcons
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings

we won't be the 1st, certainly won't be the last.


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