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digitalswim 12-02-2012 03:31 PM

Texans Secondary = Hot Garbage
 
This is getting ridiculous and this is not some knee jerk reaction crap. Something is going to have to change schematically because our current strategy clearly isn't working.

These guys are getting smoked if the pass rush doesn't get there in a nano second. Wait until we play quality QB's and WR's in the playoffs.

CretorFrigg 12-02-2012 03:36 PM

Re: Texans Secondary = Hot Garbage
 
The announcers brought this up, and I thought it was a valid question. Why don't we play more zone? Playing only man can be dangerous and leave us exposed to big plays.

Hagar 12-02-2012 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CretorFrigg (Post 2069801)
The announcers brought this up, and I thought it was a valid question. Why don't we play more zone?

Because playing man-to-man allows us to send all the free linebackers to get pressure on the QB. The strength of the defense is the front seven. This is especially true now that J.Joseph is out.

silvrhand 12-02-2012 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalswim (Post 2069786)
This is getting ridiculous and this is not some knee jerk reaction crap. Something is going to have to change schematically because our current strategy clearly isn't working.

These guys are getting smoked if the pass rush doesn't get there in a nano second. Wait until we play quality QB's and WR's in the playoffs.

We play a high risk, high reward defense. which when you have most of your starting LB, and one corner down, we are definitely not the same we were early in the year.

SW H-TOWN 12-02-2012 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CretorFrigg (Post 2069801)
The announcers brought this up, and I thought it was a valid question. Why don't we play more zone? Playing only man can be dangerous and leave us exposed to big plays.

I have to agree. I don't think the problem has to do with personnel. When all of our guys are healthy I see us as having a good secondary. Joseph and Manning are really good. Jackson seems to not be playing as well today as he did against Megatron but I will cut him some slack due to his performance as a whole this year.

CretorFrigg 12-02-2012 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by silvrhand (Post 2069839)
We play a high risk, high reward defense. which when you have most of your starting LB, and one corner down, we are definitely not the same we were early in the year.

And when you have different personnel in, you've got to adjust.

LikeMike 12-02-2012 04:15 PM

Re: Texans Secondary = Hot Garbage
 
Losing JoJo is huge, because it moves every other CB up... Losing Ball and McCain as well means we are in trouble. That's playing without CB #1, 3, 4...

If JoJo can come back and be his old self again we should be fine!

srrono 12-02-2012 04:17 PM

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Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

Brice McCain on crutches with a boot on his left foot. #Texans better hope Joseph is ready for Monday.

srrono 12-02-2012 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LikeMike (Post 2069929)
Losing JoJo is huge, because it moves every other CB up... Losing Ball and McCain as well means we are in trouble. That's playing without CB #1, 3, 4...

If JoJo can come back and be his old self again we should be fine!

With HOU being this weak at CB due to injuries NE will come out and run 4&5wr sets and expose our weakness this is what they do.

CloakNNNdagger 12-02-2012 04:20 PM

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We tend to steal one of our safeties to stay up front to protect the run.

thunderkyss 12-02-2012 04:20 PM

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Not to toot my own horn, but I said Kareem isn't ready to be a #1. He's still got a lot to learn & is still best facing the QB.

I was tempted earlier to post a thread giving the secondary props at the end of the first Qtr. They looked good. Harris, Kareem, McCain, Quin, all got hands on the ball... passes defensed & made good plays. Maning had that one where he had perfect position, had a hand on the ball, just wasn't strong enough to keep that big TE from securing the catch.

But damn. When they tested us deep..... hot garbage is about right.

The thing about it, was Locker didn't have to hold the ball long either for the deep ball. He put plenty of air under it, there was no safety anywhere. Kareem Jackson beat, just throw it out there.

Don't get me wrong, throughout the game they all made plays. It was good to see. But they got abused as well.

Lurvinator11 12-02-2012 04:24 PM

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I have a bad feeling that McCain either fractured his foot, or tore his Lisfranc.

Any word on some FA CBs?

thunderkyss 12-02-2012 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CretorFrigg (Post 2069801)
The announcers brought this up, and I thought it was a valid question. Why don't we play more zone? Playing only man can be dangerous and leave us exposed to big plays.

We don't have the LBs to play Zone. Been a problem of ours for a long time. Generally speaking we've had very good play making LBs. But they're usually thumpers. Demeco.... thumper, Cush... thumper, Sharpton, Dobbins..... thumper.

Their best game is attacking the LOS, getting after the QB & anybody who happens to be back there. We talked about Demeco playing sideline to sideline, & Cush, sideline to sideline. But when an offense stretches the field more than 7 or 8 yards, our LBs have always been a liability.

I will say though, Barwin & Rudd may change that. They appear to understand man, zone, & route recognition.

GP 12-02-2012 04:28 PM

I don't think it's that big of a deal. Sometimes a QB and his WR are going to make great plays.

We've got an offense that's capable of scoring on every possession, but they have multiple possessions where they stall out and punt...putting our defense back onto the field.

The defense sacked the QB all day. Shut down their RB. Caused multiple interceptions, multiple fumbles. Deflected passes all day. Had great coverage on several pass plays.

I won't let a few pass plays convince me this is hot garbage.

DX-TEX 12-02-2012 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by srrono (Post 2069940)
With HOU being this weak at CB due to injuries NE will come out and run 4&5wr sets and expose our weakness this is what they do.

Edelman was in a boot after Pats game

Tailgate 12-02-2012 04:30 PM

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Losing McCain is nothing.

thunderkyss 12-02-2012 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by srrono (Post 2069937)
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

Brice McCain on crutches with a boot on his left foot. #Texans better hope Joseph is ready for Monday.

I don't know about that. Roc & Harris looked pretty good for their first time out. I know it's New England & we want to win this game.

But to me, it is more important to Jjo healthy for when it really matters. Maybe we won't beat New England without him. But I think our chances are good enough against Minnesota & Indy.

Not that I know he will be healthy in 4 weeks. I don't. But if I'm GK, if he isn't 100%, if he feels a little soreness, if he walks with a little limp, if he's not running at top speed & favoring that groin..... he sits.

I wouldn't "force" him into a game until the play-offs started.

Lurvinator11 12-02-2012 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tailgate (Post 2069954)
Losing McCain is nothing.

We need him for depth.

Look what happened when he went out today.

DocBar 12-02-2012 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiddler (Post 2069959)
I don't know about that. Roc & Harris looked pretty good for their first time out. I know it's New England & we want to win this game.

But to me, it is more important to Jjo healthy for when it really matters. Maybe we won't beat New England without him. But I think our chances are good enough against Minnesota & Indy.

Not that I know he will be healthy in 4 weeks. I don't. But if I'm GK, if he isn't 100%, if he feels a little soreness, if he walks with a little limp, if he's not running at top speed & favoring that groin..... he sits.

I wouldn't "force" him into a game until the play-offs started.

You mean looked good despite the penalties? Harris had about 3 and Roc at least 1. I think penalties were the biggest issue today, along with having half of the defense being new starters.

76Texan 12-02-2012 04:40 PM

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Secondary is garbage.
No pass rush except for Watt
LBs can't cover.
People gas them running up the middle all day.
Just spread the Texans out and destroy them.

Schaub sucks.
What's wrong with Foster.
AJ too old; Walter can't get separation.
Dreessen is missed.
We need Vonta.
Right side of O-line will hurt Texans this year.

Fire Marciano.
Graham can't make that kick.
What's that LS doing on the roster.

11-1 baby! :texanbill:


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