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Big Lou 11-29-2012 05:13 PM

Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hit on DET return man.
 
So Brandon Harris was fined $21,000 for his hit on a returner deemed defenseless.

Defenseless is a little strong, as many have point out he could have called for a fair catch.

Also I find it strange that a guy gets fined 21k for a hit that was technically a half a second early, compared to a kick in the sack that was almost certainly on purpose that only cost 30k. One guy plays hard and is accidentally early in a unit of time that is impossible by most humans to do anything about, versus a conscious decision.

However what truely pisses me off is how ignorant the NFL is to how fines affect players. It should be proportional to salary. 21k for Brandon Harris is a fortune for an accident, while 30k for Suh a pre Rookie Salary Cap 1st rounder is not that big a deal. If I made 5 million a year, I would play however I wanted until the fines started racking up, then possibly changed, but if I was a league minimum guy, I would have to really think about how I played, which could end up getting me cut.

If the NFL truely cared about safety they would make things more fair for the lower salary guys.


http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...ions-returner/

mariowillshine15 11-29-2012 05:15 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
That stinks for Harris. The guy didn't call fair catch and he timed it perfectly. I think it was a legal and fair hit.

76Texan 11-29-2012 05:15 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
That's crazy man LOL; what a joke!

Norg 11-29-2012 05:18 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
so now i think u have to let the reciver catch the ball place his shoulders down and make one step

so no matter what there is no way to make positive play on a punt the punt returner will make at least one yard unless he makes a boo boo

thunderkyss 11-29-2012 05:25 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Norg (Post 2068117)
so now i think u have to let the reciver catch the ball place his shoulders down and make one step

so no matter what there is no way to make positive play on a punt the punt returner will make at least one yard unless he makes a boo boo

I think we've seen McMannis & Ball prove that false plenty of times. Don't hit him in the head.... that's all there is to it. If Harris would have anticipated the ball being somewhere between the receiver's elbows & aimed his helmet there, the ball would have come out, we would have recovered & everything would have been everything.

But he didn't. He hit him in the head. Every week we see at least one gunner knock the ever-living-snot out of a return man who doesn't get flagged for a penalty, or end up getting fined.

As far as the disproportionate fine relative to suh's, if the league had been telling players not to kick each other in the cup for the past 3+ years, I'm sure suh's fine would have been more.

Big Lou 11-29-2012 05:48 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
Damn typo, I submitted before double checking, I had to leave my office and didn't want to start over. Hot was obviousley suppossed to be "hit".

Showtime100 11-29-2012 05:57 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Lou (Post 2068130)
Damn typo, I submitted before double checking, I had to leave my office and didn't want to start over. Hot was obviousley suppossed to be "hit".

At least it wasn't embarrassing like one or two of my thread title typos were. The way the NFL hands it out these days we knew you meant "hit." :worldpeace:

Playoffs 11-29-2012 05:59 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
That's a pretty big fine just for being attracted to another player. :kitten:

NastyNate 11-29-2012 06:12 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Norg (Post 2068117)
so now i think u have to let the reciver catch the ball place his shoulders down and make one step

so no matter what there is no way to make positive play on a punt the punt returner will make at least one yard unless he makes a boo boo

Helmet to Helmet on a defenseless receiver is not allowed. The rule sucks but that's the rule. Hit him in the chest, no penalty and no fine, and probably Houston's ball at that point in the game.

EllisUnit 11-29-2012 06:29 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
Well if Harris has the hots for the guy i think he deserves the fine "Girlfriends....snap" :kitten:

CloakNNNdagger 11-29-2012 07:56 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Lou (Post 2068111)
So Brandon Harris was fined $21,000 for his hit on a returner deemed defenseless.

Defenseless is a little strong, as many have point out he could have called for a fair catch.

Also I find it strange that a guy gets fined 21k for a hit that was technically a half a second early, compared to a kick in the sack that was almost certainly on purpose that only cost 30k. One guy plays hard and is accidentally early in a unit of time that is impossible by most humans to do anything about, versus a conscious decision.

However what truely pisses me off is how ignorant the NFL is to how fines affect players. It should be proportional to salary. 21k for Brandon Harris is a fortune for an accident, while 30k for Suh a pre Rookie Salary Cap 1st rounder is not that big a deal. If I made 5 million a year, I would play however I wanted until the fines started racking up, then possibly changed, but if I was a league minimum guy, I would have to really think about how I played, which could end up getting me cut.

If the NFL truely cared about safety they would make things more fair for the lower salary guys.


http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...ions-returner/


Someone should inform Goodell that Suh should have been fined for at least the same amount as Harris. After all, the rule relates to hitting the the player in the "head.":kitten:

Brisco_County 11-29-2012 08:25 PM

Why are they using penalties meant for repeat offenders on a guy who just began his career and made one honest mistake?

TheMatrix31 11-29-2012 08:32 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
That is DUMB.

Texan_Bill 11-29-2012 08:33 PM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
Quote:

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
Which makes perfect sense.... I mean after all Slauson got a $10k fine for ending Cushing's season!

:gun:

BigBull17 11-30-2012 08:23 AM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
My beef is the amount. 21k for a first offense and as close to legal as it was is freaking stupid. That has to be most of his game check, if not all.

Rey 11-30-2012 08:28 AM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
Yuck.

ThaJokaa 11-30-2012 08:34 AM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 2068268)
Which makes perfect sense.... I mean after all Slauson got a $10k fine for ending Cushing's season!

:gun:

Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner

srrono 11-30-2012 08:42 AM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
So Harris was "Hot" for this guy? What did he do ask for his number? Did Harris use Viagra? Was it over aggressive butt grabbing? (aka PPat butt grab)

HOU-TEX 11-30-2012 08:52 AM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 2068268)
Which makes perfect sense.... I mean after all Slauson got a $10k fine for ending Cushing's season!

:gun:

It's just plain ridiculous, man. I know the league wants high flying offenses and all that jazz. But man, at least show a little consistency. I'm beginning to wonder if they use some sort of procedure to come up with fine amounts or just pull numbers out their arse.

I understand there's a select few that deserve every fine that has come their way, but Harris was a first offender. Stupid!

ajohnson80 11-30-2012 08:57 AM

Re: Brandon Harris fined $21,000 for hot on DET return man.
 
Fines and suspensions are determined by a giant wheel spun by the commissioner, wherever the wheel lands seals your fate.


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